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Just recieved this from DVLA accusing me of lieing and breaking the law, but a quick Google shows that I am far from being alone, contradictiory to the DVLA published figures. At forty quid a pop this has got to be a nice little earner, and it seems there is no way to fight it
 

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Jack89 said:
did you tell them somone else now owns it before they sent the £40 penalty ?
Yes, I "indicated" this but I should have "notified"
 
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I recently sent of for a road tax refund for one of the company vans that we had scrapped. The DVLA sent me a similar notice, after about 6 weeks, saying that they hadn't received notification of the vehicle's disposal so they weren't refunding the tax. They also said that if I supplied the notification I could only be refunded that proportion of the tax that comes in complete months after they have received the notification not the original date of scrapping. My thoughts about their collective parentage are reserved.
 

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If one is not required to notify the DVLA of the disposal of the vehicle, I'd say they can fcuk off. Either that, or under your own cognicence, you inform them when you sell it, not wait for them to ask you to confirm it, or have I got that wrong?
 
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Biped said:
If one is not required to notify the DVLA of the disposal of the vehicle, I'd say they can fcuk off. Either that, or under your own cognicence, you inform them when you sell it, not wait for them to ask you to confirm it, or have I got that wrong?
When selling the Veh you must tear off part of the Registration document and send it to the DVLA, with the purchasers name and address he then can re-register the Veh, as he lives in my street I know he did this and the DVLA know this, but even though they have been in conntact with him they still say I failed to inform them, but if this is true how did they know he had the car? there was not even a brake in the tax, I sold it to hime with three days still on the tax and he re-taxed it the next day
 
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Tropper66, you are looking for sanity in your dealings with a Government agency. Silly boy.

You need to look at the rules. I am sure that they are following their rules. So you just need to look at the rule book

No, you can't have a copy of the rule book.
 
#10
DVLA? Don't get me started!

Sent off my old paper licence yonks ago to get a photo one to keep the EuroJohhnies happy, thought no more of it.

Saw an article recently about people having their motorcycle endorsement left off so goes to check, yep, not on my new one.

Yo! DVLA, you left off my motorcycle bit.

Have you some proof you passed a motorcycle test?

It was on my paper licence!

We don't keep those Sir or any records of past tests

Did you have some other proof like your pass certificate?

Yes, back in 1976.

Have you still got it?

Yeah, always keep old pass certificates from 30 odd years ago. 8O

Well, we're sorry Sir, but without written proof you had a licence we can't put the endorsment back on.

Nobbers. :x
 
#11
Oil slick, go see them in person if possible. I've heard they are more forthcoming when you arrive in person.
 
#12
The DVA is just another typical cuntish ZaNulabour government organisation. It is designed to make life as difficult for people as possible while stealing cash via its malicious incompetence.

They are not fit for purpose - nothing this goverment touches is. Is it not possible to sue the DVA for the loss of driving entitlements? Why should the public be the ones made to suffer becuase they are not doing their job correctly?
 
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I've had the same letter- despite sending off the paperwork.

Send them a letter, telling them when/where you got rid of the car and, if possible, who you sold it to etc.

Tell them that you don't see why it's your fault they've not got the paperwork on the system and that you have done everything in accordance with the transference/scrapping of the vehicle that is required

They'll back down. They know they're always losing things and will probably write back and apologise. At least, they were grovelling for hassling me :twisted:
 
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Surfer_Smithy said:
Oil slick, go see them in person if possible. I've heard they are more forthcoming when you arrive in person.

You reckon? A Police Motorbike mechanic who'd been riding for 28 years had his licence buggered up recently , despite being able to prove he's been a Police authorised rider for years along with written letters of confirmation from the senior staff, they wouldn't budge. He had to retake a full bike test.
 
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I wonder if the DVLA is like the Cardiff tax office, Some years ago I was putting in new guide rails for the lifts in the high rise tax building well there was about 2 skips full of papers,letters,files ect , in the bottom of the lift shaft some of which was marked secret,confidential and no-one could give a F*** about it when we asked
 
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Tiger-Monkey2 said:
The DVA is just another typical cuntish ZaNulabour government organisation. It is designed to make life as difficult for people as possible while stealing cash via its malicious incompetence.

They are not fit for purpose - nothing this goverment touches is. Is it not possible to sue the DVA for the loss of driving entitlements? Why should the public be the ones made to suffer becuase they are not doing their job correctly?
Nearly all of the departments of state within the Kingdom share much in common with the 'command' structures that used to exist in the former Soviet Union.

The Kingdom's 'nomenclature' were vehemently opposed to the incorporation into domestic law of the European Charter of Fundamental Rights of the European Union, article 41 of which would have given Crown subjects an enforceable right to good administration. The right to have his or her affairs handled impartially, fairly and within a reasonable time with the right to compensation to make good the damage caused by the institutions or its servants in the performance of its duties.

Instead, Crown subjects have imposed upon them at almost every level, an oppressive 'Kafkaesque' bureaucracy operating as a de-facto arm of Revenue and Customs to extract money for the Treasury.

You may be reasonably confident that the personal details the DVLA states that it does not possess to carry out a simple function has already been sold at a profit to private concerns who pay handsomely for it!
 
#17
Tropper,

This may be of help:

No need for physical proof of posting documents to DVLA

Contrary to recent claims, there is no basis in statute for the DVLA to send acknowledgement letters or for motorists to chase the DVLA if they haven't received one. The DVLA has admitted this in correspondence.

The wording on the V5C is ambiguous, because it can be read that you should complain (on their expensive telephone number) if you receive a letter before four weeks have elapsed.

To take the legal arguments a step further:

1. The Universal Postal Union (of which Britain is a signatory) makes it clear that, in the UK, post becomes the property of the recipient at the moment it is committed to the Royal Mail.

2. The Interpretation Act 1997 s7 makes it clear that a document sent by first-class post is deemed served. If the sender has proof of posting (or a witness), the DVLA's letter of acknowledgement is a mere distraction.

If he has no proof, he can swear an affidavit that the V5 was completed and posted. Of the cases that have been challenged as above, I'm not aware of any the DVLA has taken as far as a magistrates' court.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/motoring/caradvice/honestjohn/5835910/No-need-for-physical-proof-of-posting-documents-to-DVLA.html
 
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pcar964 said:
Tropper,

This may be of help:

No need for physical proof of posting documents to DVLA

Contrary to recent claims, there is no basis in statute for the DVLA to send acknowledgement letters or for motorists to chase the DVLA if they haven't received one. The DVLA has admitted this in correspondence.

The wording on the V5C is ambiguous, because it can be read that you should complain (on their expensive telephone number) if you receive a letter before four weeks have elapsed.

To take the legal arguments a step further:

1. The Universal Postal Union (of which Britain is a signatory) makes it clear that, in the UK, post becomes the property of the recipient at the moment it is committed to the Royal Mail.

2. The Interpretation Act 1997 s7 makes it clear that a document sent by first-class post is deemed served. If the sender has proof of posting (or a witness), the DVLA's letter of acknowledgement is a mere distraction.

If he has no proof, he can swear an affidavit that the V5 was completed and posted. Of the cases that have been challenged as above, I'm not aware of any the DVLA has taken as far as a magistrates' court.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/motoring/caradvice/honestjohn/5835910/No-need-for-physical-proof-of-posting-documents-to-DVLA.html
Just to add to this, it is exactly this that the police use when sending out NIPs, they will say they sent it within 14days, therefore it is your problem that you did not receive it.

Once you understand this basic, especially the first sentence here; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Introduction_to_quantum_mechanics
everything else is a mere bagatelle. Possibly.
 
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Oil_Slick said:
DVLA? Don't get me started!

Sent off my old paper licence yonks ago to get a photo one to keep the EuroJohhnies happy, thought no more of it.

Saw an article recently about people having their motorcycle endorsement left off so goes to check, yep, not on my new one.

Yo! DVLA, you left off my motorcycle bit.

Have you some proof you passed a motorcycle test?

It was on my paper licence!

We don't keep those Sir or any records of past tests

Did you have some other proof like your pass certificate?

Yes, back in 1976.

Have you still got it?

Yeah, always keep old pass certificates from 30 odd years ago. 8O

Well, we're sorry Sir, but without written proof you had a licence we can't put the endorsment back on.

Nobbers. :x
Same with me.
Won't give me the bike category back. Last time I got pulled by Plod I came up on the PNC as having a bike licence. I'm not stopping riding, I'm not re-sitting my test either.
They've done it to thousands of us mate. Always with the same response from them, not their mistake and your out of luck.
 
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tropper66 said:
Just recieved this from DVLA accusing me of lieing and breaking the law, but a quick Google shows that I am far from being alone, contradictiory to the DVLA published figures. At forty quid a pop this has got to be a nice little earner, and it seems there is no way to fight it

Presumably the new owner has recieved his new V5?
Can you ask him for a photocopy showing the date he aquired the vehicle?
Would categorically prove the DVLA were informed of change of ownership
 

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