Dutch spies helped GCHQ break Argentine crypto during Falklands War

Has anyone else noticed that there isn't a single mention of the Dutch contribution in the entire thread ?
 

Dwarf

LE
Has anyone else noticed that there isn't a single mention of the Dutch contribution in the entire thread ?
This being arrse did you actually expect any?
 

Dwarf

LE
I seem to recall it in the book, 'Don't cry for me Sgt Major' - Hastings was one of the authors of this IIRC. In that a story went that a correspondent used a civvy phone line to contact someone at a location that the Brits were advancing towards and immediately got a bollocking for - turns out that the latter was a bit of a wind up but he was a little naughty and perhaps naïve. In the book the guy involved was utterly distraught that he might have put Brit lives at risk (and perhaps that of himself and his fellow correspondents).
Being picky here it was by Jeremy Hands and Robert McGowan who were both with the Task Force and they are not very complimentary about Hastings at all.
For those who don't know it, it's well worth the read as it tells the troops stories in their inimitable style, like a marine watching the Gurkhas come ashore and head off into the hills eyes alight with a desire to get to grips with the Queen's enemies.
"F*ck me. they look like motorised ferrets."

The story does highlight that the correspondents do need to be made aware of what they can and can't do and where the lines are. Not always an easy task.
 

goodoldboy

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In retrospect I feel that most of the immediate South American countries did something to aid the UK in 1982 even if their true allegiances lay with our other enemies.

Brazil allowed the Vulcan to land (ok, we got it back eventually) and Uruguay landed the Argentine prisoners - two countries that I would never have expected to assist at the time - and Chile helped in a number of ways, certainly over and above the what the Thatcher / Pinochet relationship spawned. The other Latin American countries either were too far away or didn't have anything to give, such as Paraguay.

Yes, the Dutch supported in the best way they could although that could apply equally to other friendly European countries, not forgetting that the Iron Curtain was still in place.

As for France, they gave us considerable aid having supplied Argentina (and us) with weapons beforehand but, for me, our biggest Allie at the time was the US for many reasons, most of which have been aired on this thread already. Even though Haig was backwards and forwards and Reagan was continuing his special relationship with Thatcher, she wasn't having any of it.

My point is that we never really thought that the Argentine junta would even attempt to invade the Falkland Islands. When they did it took a massive amount of everything by the UK - from planning, sheer professionalism, resources, bravery, loyalty and courage for us to regain what was ours. I never was a big fan of Maggie generally and I can take or leave the US and its citizens but, without their efforts and the efforts of other nations, our success would have never happened.

I also believe that we did the Argentinian people a service by our actions which prompted the fall of their vicious Junta. The fact that they have trodden a very thin line since then is neither here nor there. Just my thoughts on a lovely evening, nothing more...
 
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Glue_Sniffer

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And you get to see Steph Flanders in a boiler suit and have the opportunity to shout 'b*ll*cks!' when Tariq Ali offers an opinion. Bonus!

I have a feeling this may not be quite what you meant, though...
This is a program that explores and discusses Marxism. But I would not say that the BBC is pushing the ideology of Marxism, just discussing it.

The BBC today does not really discus the woke ideology (because it is viewed as orthodoxy), but it does constantly encourage and advocate for the woke agenda.
 
This is a program that explores and discusses Marxism. But I would not say that the BBC is pushing the ideology of Marxism, just discussing it.

The BBC today does not really discus the woke ideology (because it is viewed as orthodoxy), but it does constantly encourage and advocate for the woke agenda.
Can you imagine them running one exploring and discussing, say eugenics?
 
In retrospect I feel that most of the immediate South American countries did something to aid the UK in 1982 even if their true allegiances lay with our other enemies.

Brazil allowed the Vulcan to land (ok, we got it back eventually) and Uruguay landed the Argentine prisoners - two countries that I would never have expected to assist at the time - and Chile helped in a number of ways, certainly over and above the what the Thatcher / Galtieri relationship spawned. The other Latin American countries either were too far away or didn't have anything to give, such as Paraguay.

Yes, the Dutch supported in the best way they could although that could apply equally to other friendly European countries, not forgetting that the Iron Curtain was still in place.

As for France, they gave us considerable aid having supplied Argentina (and us) with weapons beforehand but, for me, our biggest Allie at the time was the US for many reasons, most of which have been aired on this thread already. Even though Haig was backwards and forwards and Reagan was continuing his special relationship with Thatcher, she wasn't having any of it.

My point is that we never really thought that the Argentine junta would even attempt to invade the Falkland Islands. When they did it took a massive amount of everything by the UK - from planning, sheer professionalism, resources, bravery, loyalty and courage for us to regain what was ours. I never was a big fan of Maggie generally and I can take or leave the US and its citizens but, without their efforts and the efforts of other nations, our success would have never happened.

I also believe that we did the Argentinian people a service by our actions which prompted the fall of their vicious Junta. The fact that they have trodden a very thin line since then is neither here nor there. Just my thoughts on a lovely evening, nothing more...
Thatcher / Pinochet ?
 

Fang_Farrier

LE
Kit Reviewer
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Has anyone else noticed that there isn't a single mention of the Dutch contribution in the entire thread ?
I was hoping for a finger in a dyke
 
I think its fairer to say that elements within a number of nations had differing stances.
The standard of missile recognition by the Brazilian Air Force, for instance, was pleasingly Nelsonian.
I recall reading a line by one British senior official that Frenchmen, especially anyone involved with military affairs, with regard to the Falklands, could be divided into "very firmly for us or very firmly against us".
 

Glue_Sniffer

Old-Salt
That was one of Marx's desired outcomes sure, but what he was really about was the idea that the way to analyse history was to look at classes and how they interacted and had different interests leading to conflict.

For example if you consider that "remain" was very much the preference of the upper-middle class and that "leave" was the preferred option of the working class, then it's very obvious why the BBC's coverage looked as it did. Left/right or socialism/capitalism wasn't anything to do with it.

I'd imagine the BBC of the day also saw itself as international and cosmopolitan and found nationalism/patriotism distasteful.
Yes, I agree. There's more to Marxism.
With the Falklands War for example, an International Marxist may argue that your average working class British soldier had more in common with the average Argentinean conscript, than with the British Establishment politicians.

That the British flag is just a tool, designed to brainwash the British working classes into thinking their allegiance should lie with others who are British, even if those others (The Establishment) are shafting them.
 
Yes, I agree. There's more to Marxism.
With the Falklands War for example, an International Marxist may argue that your average working class British soldier had more in common with the average Argentinean conscript, than with the British Establishment politicians.

That the British flag is just a tool, designed to brainwash the British working classes into thinking their allegiance should lie with others who are British, even if those others (The Establishment) are shafting them.
Well they would be wrong as we all loved Maggie Thatcher.
 

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