Dutch may lose their tanks.

#1
The Netherlands may soon have an army without tanks. According to current plans from Minister of Defence Hans Hillen, the vehicles must be offloaded in order to save one billion euros.

The Dutch Army currently has about 80 Leopard tanks divided into two battalions. As a result of the current government’s cuts, the ministry says the battalions are no longer operational.
Source: Radio Netherlands

Yes, I realise it's a press article but still...

Luckily, there in no unrest on European borders and someone else is bound to have some if needed. Not us obviously, but someone.
 
#2
Serious question.

Having sat out WWI and being relegated to an early bath in WWII, have the cloggies ever indulged in tanky warfare?
 
#3
Having already bought half of them (80+ IIRC) I wonder if they'll make us (Canada) a deal on the other half. Naah I can't see our Government actually wanting to have enough tanks to equip all of 3 our armoured regiments, they like sharing. :)
 
#4
Is not a recurring theme in European history that when nations all start disarming and so on then its just about then that it goes tits up spectacularly.

Considering that the map of Europe is now pretty much the same as it was in 1900 and as a continent we are broke. Can we expect some excitement?
Is it?

 
#5
That map is not right. we were pink in them days.
 
#7
#12
Serious question.

Having sat out WWI and being relegated to an early bath in WWII, have the cloggies ever indulged in tanky warfare?
They used them in Java against a small boy who had waved a sharpened stick about, even there an air strike was thought necessary to soften the target up first.
 
#13
Hmmmmmmmmmmmm

I don’t think anyone is going to like this BUT….

Warfare is changing and has changed. A thousand years ago a ratbag bunch arrived and “settled” – doing a bit of stealing and raping, flagrantly disobeying local rules and conventions, enforcing their own cultural ideas and standards.

Then things got organised. We wore uniforms, had rules. Then people realised that if you didn’t play by those rules, you could still use the ratbag bunch invasion methodology, and the rules prevented anyone from stopping you.

So we are back to ratbag bunch arriving and settling – doing a bit of stealing and raping, flagrantly disobeying local rules and conventions, enforcing their own cultural ideas and standards.

Sadly that is modern warfare – and a tank is bloody useless when faced with it..
 
#14
Serious question.

Having sat out WWI and being relegated to an early bath in WWII, have the cloggies ever indulged in tanky warfare?
Sort of.
There was something about the size of a squadron of Armoured tin cans knocking about in Europe in the second half of WWII. We gave them some spare bits and pieces.
I think they may have used something tank like against the Japanese in the first part of the war.
 
#15
Serious question.

Having sat out WWI and being relegated to an early bath in WWII, have the cloggies ever indulged in tanky warfare?
One x FT17 (renault light tank) and some M39 armoured cars in 1940: YouTube - Nederlandse Pantserwagens 1940

Netherlands' History - World War II Vehicles, Tanks, and Airplanes
Before World War II started the Dutch Army had massive budget cuts applied.1 After World War I terms of service for conscripts were cut from two years to six months.
There were some Dutch troops that fought as mech infantry, Princess Irene Brigade and obviously there would be some who had experience fighting as part of the Waffen SS panzergrenadiers against the Soviets. Since then ..............
 
#16
If there were any sort of EU military strategy - apart from dismantling any member state's sovereign power, that is - surely the best option for all this heavy metal being cut would be to pool it all into some sort of huge NATO/EU storage facility, just in case it might be needed sometime?
 
#17
If there were any sort of EU military strategy - apart from dismantling any member state's sovereign power, that is - surely the best option for all this heavy metal being cut would be to pool it all into some sort of huge NATO/EU storage facility, just in case it might be needed sometime?

EU 'Defence' Policy

[video=youtube;Jui_GePeXrI]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jui_GePeXrI[/video]
 
#18
Is not a recurring theme in European history that when nations all start disarming and so on then its just about then that it goes tits up spectacularly.
A recurring theme? Care to enlighten us how often this has occured and when...

Might also help if you provided a bit of contextual background in order to better understand the dynamics.

Considering that the map of Europe is now pretty much the same as it was in 1900 and as a continent we are broke. Can we expect some excitement?
On the otherhand, if this is the level of your understanding and knowledge of the 'facts', best you don't waste our time with your drivel.

Back to entertaining the drunk and ignorant masses down the Red Lion with your comic sketches for you m'lad.
 
#19
The Netherlands Prinses Irene Brigade 1944-45 (actually a battalion group) only had ten Daimler Dingo scout cars in its Recce Squadron.

The KNIL (Dutch Eastr Indies' Armed Forces) had a few early-model Vickers light tanks and various light armoured cars, but the Japs rolled over them with barely a break in step.
 

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