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Dutch Anti-Islam MP Geert Wilders Goes on Trial

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I think this ifs going to be very interesting. Is he only saying what a lot of people think?

Dutch anti-Islam MP Geert Wilders goes on trial




The Dutch anti-Islam MP Geert Wilders has gone on trial in Amsterdam accused of inciting hatred against Muslims.



"I am on trial, but on trial with me is the freedom of expression of many Dutch citizens," he told the court.


If found guilty, Mr Wilders faces up to a year in jail or a fine of up to 7,600 euros ($10,000).


The trial comes as Mr Wilders' political influence soars - he is set to be a shadow partner of the next coalition government.


Mr Wilders is facing five charges of inciting hatred and discrimination against Muslims.
His statements have included calling Islam fascist and likening the Koran to Hitler's Mein Kampf.



Prosecutors say Mr Wilders committed the offences in his 17-minute film Fitna, which has sparked protests across the Muslim world.


Judge accused of bias

Mr Wilders, in a bright blue tie and with his trademark shock of blond hair, waved to supporters as he entered the court complex in Amsterdam. There were also some protesters outside court. Riot police were on duty nearby.


In an opening statement, he told the court that he was being persecuted for "stating my opinion in the context of public debate", adding: "I can assure you, I will continue proclaiming it."

His lawyer, Bram Moszkowicz, then told the presiding judge that Mr Wilders would thereafter exercise his right to silence and not answer questions during the trial.


When presiding judge Jan Moors said it appeared Mr Wilders was "avoiding discussion" Mr Moszkowicz accused him of bias and moved to have him substituted, causing the trial to be adjourned.


Earlier, Mr Wilders gave his views via his Twitter account, calling it a "terrible day".
"The freedom of expression of at least 1.5 million people is standing trial together with me," he wrote.


That seemed to be a reference to the number of voters who backed his Freedom Party in national elections in June.


That election made his party the third biggest in parliament, and gave him a key role in coalition discussions.


The coalition deal that emerged last week joins two centre-right parties in a minority government, which will seek the backing of parliament this week.


But, holding only 52 of the 150 seats in parliament, they will depend on the support of Mr Wilders' 24 Freedom Party MPs to pass legislation.


In return for that support he has already extracted policy concessions. The new government has said it will try to ban the Islamic face-veil and curb immigration.
Death threats

It is not clear whether a conviction for Mr Wilders would affect the government's willingness to deal with him.


Mr Wilders has infuriated opponents not just with his opinions, but with language they see as inflammatory, such as stating that Muslim "head rags" - ie the veil - ought to be taxed for "polluting" the Dutch landscape.


Mr Wilders was briefly refused entry to Britain last year, after being invited to show his film in the House of Lords.



Having received numerous death threats, he is usually surrounded by bodyguards.
The judgement is expected on 4 November.
 
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Wow. Death of freedom of speech.

I understand the hate mongering is not a good thing however we can't be told to be tolerant of intolerant religious folk but be intolerant of anyone that speaks against them.

Catch 22 here in my opinion.
 
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He'll be the First Political Prisoner put on a Show Trial of the new Marxist-Leninist State of EUSSR Land..... the Kommie Kommizzars in Brussells will make sure he is made an example of... and a warning to all those who... "Do Not Love the EU!"... but I jest... really!!
 
#5
I'd always dismissed him as a bit of a BNP type attention whore but I was wrong. His party won the seat where I live just outside of Amsterdam. Its what you'd call a new town and populated by generally middle class types on good incomes and intelligent. There seems to be a sea change of politics away from the left more to the centre and right wing.

Immigration has been a growing issue here in Holland, but I was surprised by the big rise in his party's vote at the last election. The Dutch tend to be a bit like a wet lettuce when it comes to making a point forcefully which is why this turn around caught me off guard.

I'm an immigrant here so I had better hide :)
 
#8
Ord_sgt, there was some protests in amsterdam when I was last there over immigration. Can't remember the details.
Yeah, theres been a few low key protests in recent years but nothing huge. The Dutch are quite a forthright bunch, its a bit disconcerting until you get used to them, but I hadn't really detected this undercurrent of unrest to be honest, I mean you hear a few people strong opinions but it wasn't something I sensed was so widespread.

Politics tended to be the path of least resistance here but Wilders has certainly thrown a spanner in those works. Interesting times ahead I think.
 
#9
Wow. Death of freedom of speech.

I understand the hate mongering is not a good thing however we can't be told to be tolerant of intolerant religious folk but be intolerant of anyone that speaks against them.

Catch 22 here in my opinion.
You're right. It's events like this that fuel the far right. The BNP would say this case has come about because we regard Muslims as special. And, much as I detest what they stand for in a wider sense, I'd have to agree with them.
 
#10
You're right. It's events like this that fuel the far right. The BNP would say this case has come about because we regard Muslims as special. And, much as I detest what they stand for in a wider sense, I'd have to agree with them.
With respect, it isn't only muslims that are protected by the law is it? It stops the same gentleman saying silly things about the jews and prevents muslims and jews from reacting by calling for the eating of christian first born children.
 
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With respect, it isn't only muslims that are protected by the law is it? It stops the same gentleman saying silly things about the jews and prevents muslims and jews from reacting by calling for the eating of christian first born children.
You're absolutely right, but in reality a film about the evils of cathlocism wouldn't have landed him in court.
 
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You're absolutely right, but in reality a film about the evils of cathlocism wouldn't have landed him in court.
Very much like in the UK, Christians are fine to have a pop at, But say anything against Muslims and you instantly become this century's buzz-word, Islamophobe.
 

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#17
Very much like in the UK, Christians are fine to have a pop at, But say anything against Muslims and you instantly become this century's buzz-word, Islamophobe.

really - muslims haven't been done for inciting religious hatred?
And why's that?? Because people are running scared of upsetting them, Hamza and his ilk are allowed to spout anti Christian and Western vitriol, but the minute an infidel steps out of line, they get nicked for incitement.

When was the last Muslim nicked for incitement?
 
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And why's that?? Because people are running scared of upsetting them, Hamza and his ilk are allowed to spout anti Christian and Western vitriol, but the minute an infidel steps out of line, they get nicked for incitement.
Silly boy, I was asking a rhetorical question not making a statement. For your information, extreme Islamists have been found guilty of the crime.
 
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really - muslims haven't been done for inciting religious hatred?
Thats not what I meant, I can say the Christianity is a load of bollocks and people don't bat an eyelid I say Islam is aload of bollocks and its all because I'm BNP/Nazi/Islamophobe etc.
 
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His lawyer, Bram Moszkowicz, then told the presiding judge that Mr Wilders would thereafter exercise his right to silence and not answer questions during the trial.
Ah yes, freedom of speech and Geert Wilders..... Whenever there's the possibility he gets outed as an utter twat he doesn't want to comment or get into a debate.

He doesn't like to be challenged, hence you cannot join his party. You can only vote for it.
 

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