Dune 2021 - fan discussion

Goatman

ADC
Book Reviewer
' Bi-i-i-i-g Sandworm , small Gom Jabbar! '
 
Big ship.
Little ship.
Folding space.

Big ship.
Little ship.
Folding space.

Big ship.
Little ship.
Folding space.

etc
 

maguire

LE
Book Reviewer
first read the book as an 10 year old around the time the original came out, and loved it. although funnily enough never quite got to grips with FH's sequels in the same way. and the less said about his sons milking of the stories the better, some might say...

excellent, excellent thread. as someone said, DL was set up to fail from the get go by trying to squeeze the story into 120-odd minutes. it was never going to work. that being said, it still has some wonderful imagery and some of the design still looks stunning. (I have a three hour fan edit here on my hard drive I should get round to watching at some point.)

but now Villeneuve's take...I will have to go back (and tbh, it's the first film for years where I **want** to go back) and watch it again.

I was absolutely blown away. I'm wondering if this is actually better than the book. I think at this stage the **only** criticism I could level at it is that it perhaps wasn't quite as clear as it could be about Yueh and his motivations - in the feat that the Baron pulled off in suborning his imperial conditioning, and the pain of both losing his wife and having to betray Leto, Jessica and Paul. it seemed to lack something in contrast to the rest of the film, I don't know. it's difficult to describe - where there were so many other subtle clues in the rest of the film and the script, they seemed lacking in the Yueh sequence and the whole thing a little bit flat.

the casting I thought was excellent. I was wondering about Momoa before going into it, but I thought he was really, really good and played the role perfectly.

I may very well change my mind about it. but at the moment I'm in awe.
 

Sarastro

LE
Kit Reviewer
Book Reviewer
Biggest screen you can find!!!!!!

(I'm just in it for the desert porn).
Saw it in the biggest screen in the country, so presumably that counts. For me it's a tossup between big screen + people, or home + no people, and no people usually win. The herd of grazing Chinese teenagers around me this time didn't disprove that logic.

It is definitely good. Timothy Chalmet was unexpectedly excellent and actually his casting makes sense on re-reading the book, and Rebecca [surnamehere] also nailed it. The sound balancing was definitely off, and I was surprised by how much plot and dialogue they didn't get in there considering it was about 2/5s of the book, but obviously if you are somewhere hot in a desert you only have enough energy to stare moodily, so I suppose that's realistic.

Will be interesting to see how he balances out the second one.
 
@Sarastro

The screen thing for me was just the high hopes I had for the desert scenes.


Had to chuckle that they went to a desert resort which I am sure is luxurious and all that (Qasar Al Sarab), there are some stunning dunes to the west (marked) where the road just ends in the Tel Moreeb area. Tel Moreeb ("Scary Dune") is stupidly high, and the area is just stunning.

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If you cannot, as a film maker, transform Wadi Rum into somewhere magical just give up!

The little Boumers were fed up of me waxing lyrical about the wonders of Wadi Rum during Aladdin.
 

Dwarf

LE
Book Reviewer
While I read most of the books ages ago, was very minded that it was a deep envolved story, that at times made for hard reading. I tend every now and then to go to sleep listening the audio book, I still have a soft spot for David Lynch version, despite its shortcomings, for me that was the inclusion of 'Sting' a real 'Mind Kill'.

Just got back from watching it, Big Screen Big Sound. The casting was a 10, cinematography 10, art and design while missing the baroqueness that David Lynch used to such good effect, a 10, the look Villeneuve gave it was grand in vision and scale. Costume design was wonderful, it evoked and captured elegance even in the utility of function, particularly in the uniform design.

I can understand why some might find the soundtrack overpowering or jarring at times, and while i had both hearing aids in I still missed some dialogue. That said because of both Villeneuve cinematography and Zimmers soundscape crafting, the story flowed.

If I had not read the books then perhaps i might have found it more jarring. However I rather liked that many scenes disregarded dialogue and just let the visuals and music craft the tone and tell the story. Nolan's Interstellar did much the same.

I would recommend this film even if Sci-Fi is not your thing, but cinematography and soundscape's are.

Looking forward to part two. and likely to go and see it again, even though i don't do going out and interacting with the wider world.
 

Sarastro

LE
Kit Reviewer
Book Reviewer
@Sarastro

The screen thing for me was just the high hopes I had for the desert scenes.


Had to chuckle that they went to a desert resort which I am sure is luxurious and all that (Qasar Al Sarab), there are some stunning dunes to the west (marked) where the road just ends in the Tel Moreeb area. Tel Moreeb ("Scary Dune") is stupidly high, and the area is just stunning.

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If you cannot, as a film maker, transform Wadi Rum into somewhere magical just give up!

The little Boumers were fed up of me waxing lyrical about the wonders of Wadi Rum during Aladdin.
It's always the disappointing problem of film scouting: you aren't looking for the place that is a thousand miles away from anywhere, new and undiscovered; you're looking for the place that looks like that but is actually a daily commute from somewhere you can house hundreds of cast and crew with an access road sufficient to transport the kit.

EDIT: As such I'm totally unsurprised that Jordan and the UAE keep cropping up as film locations, even before the substantial subsidies they throw at productions. Great in theory to film Dune in the middle of the Empty Quarter or the Sahel, in practice probably not worth desert survival training and bootcamp for the entire cast and crew, airframes on call, etc.
 
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Sarastro

LE
Kit Reviewer
Book Reviewer
despite its shortcomings, for me that was the inclusion of 'Sting' a real 'Mind Kill'.
One of the differences of perspective, I expect: pop stars being cast in films isn't an immersion breaker if you see it at an age / time when you have no idea who they are, other than an actor with a stupid name.

Luckily I had no idea who either Sting or Zendaya were, respectively.
 
@Sarastro

I have no idea who Zendaya is either!

Be fun to see how much al Ula can be put up as a rival to Wadi Rum for film locations.

 

Sarastro

LE
Kit Reviewer
Book Reviewer
@Sarastro

I have no idea who Zendaya is either!

Be fun to see how much al Ula can be put up as a rival to Wadi Rum for film locations.

I'm surprised Oman isn't used more. Quite a few Bollywood films, very few Hollywood or European ones.
 
@Sarastro

The screen thing for me was just the high hopes I had for the desert scenes.


Had to chuckle that they went to a desert resort which I am sure is luxurious and all that (Qasar Al Sarab), there are some stunning dunes to the west (marked) where the road just ends in the Tel Moreeb area. Tel Moreeb ("Scary Dune") is stupidly high, and the area is just stunning.

View attachment 613397

If you cannot, as a film maker, transform Wadi Rum into somewhere magical just give up!

The little Boumers were fed up of me waxing lyrical about the wonders of Wadi Rum during Aladdin.
Agreed - Spent some time in Liwa.

Magical, but brutal.
 
One of the differences of perspective, I expect: pop stars being cast in films isn't an immersion breaker if you see it at an age / time when you have no idea who they are, other than an actor with a stupid name.

Luckily I had no idea who either Sting or Zendaya were, respectively.
Wasn’t that he was a ‘pop’ star, rather his acting. ‘DUNE 2021’ casting choice, reflects once again another aspect that the ‘Villeneuve’ look, brings to a piece of work.
 
I'm surprised Oman isn't used more. Quite a few Bollywood films, very few Hollywood or European ones.

I really must upload my Mirbat photos one day. Did you ever get there?
 
Agreed - Spent some time in Liwa.

Magical, but brutal.

I loved it, used to go star gazing there and danced alone one night like a madman under the Perseid shower. Clearest stars I ever saw in my life, with stunning streaking stars. It was like a movie.
 
For the benefit of everyone else, it's a lot of this.

Stunning enviroment.
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I loved it, used to go star gazing there and danced alone one night like a madman under the Perseid shower. Clearest stars I ever saw in my life, with stunning streaking stars. It was like a movie.
I was based in Dubai for nearly 15 years - We'd get out into the desert or mountains/wadis often during the winter and New Years Eve was normally a desert camp and while we'd be tens of miles out, we'd still have sight of the city and watch the fireworks with the camp fire on our backs.

One of the best Stag Nights I've ever been to was out in the desert - one of the lads was the owner of an events company, so we basically drove out towards Al Ain, found a spot deep in the desert, threw up our tents and then set up a genny, sounds system, massive cinema screen, big full body sized beanbags, Karaoke, and a huge meatfest BBQ - spent the first few hours getting toasted, singing crap, then settled down to watch a bunch of boys films and fall asleep under the stars. It was brilliant.

You'd also have things like the scorpions coming out and sitting with you by the fire, then they'd go off hunting - locals hawk training etc...
 

Sarastro

LE
Kit Reviewer
Book Reviewer
I really must upload my Mirbat photos one day. Did you ever get there?
Briefly, chose to explore the ridge behind it rather than do the castle tourism. Unfortunately wasn't the clearest day so the view was muted.
 

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