Dunblane paedo allegations refuse to go away

Sorry it's a scan & may take some time to load, but it's the best I can find (it's from the Mail on Sunday):

This has been suspected by shooters for a long time (along with alledged masonic connections), and the unprecedented 100 year gagging order on the documents helped this suspicion somewhat. So, for members of the 60,000 - how does it feel to be screwed over to protect high-ranking paedophiles?
It feels like I live in the United Kingdom....Where the rich and powerful hide behind the Official Secrets Act in order to...err, remain rich and powerful

Other bits of the conspiracy:

Was Hamilton's intention was to merely make a protest? He planned to take hostages, but did he plan to kill anyone, or just get his Andy Warhol moment and 15 minutes of fame?

He was seen leaving his house in his car and it was alleged he went directly to the QVS. (school) this journey take a little under 15 minutes, but he did not arrive at QVS until one hour after leaving his house? So where was he in that intervening time? What if he was visiting a senior local politician, police officer, such as DACC McMurdo, and threatening to name names?

According to a conversation overheard in the Scottish Office, Hamilton's body had 17 bullet wounds, from up to 3 different calibres/bullet types. The official version (Cullen) says he shot himself once (in the head) not 17 times!

The gym, where the 'massacre' took place was demolished 3 days later. Not exactly preservation of the scene of crime to gather forensic evidence then. But what if the Gym's foensic evidence showed that the 'Polis' and not Hamilton had done most, if not all of the shooting?

And what of the police radio call overheard by a member of the public at the time of the siege/massacre with the order 'take him out'? Was that DACC McMurdo?

The whole edifice is crumbling away. The truth could be as horrific as the original tragedy. Heads will roll, but this time they will be the heads of those who well and truly deserve it.

DACC McMurdo is dead now, I beleive? Didnt he retire after Cullen and the ensuing handgun ban, go to New Zealand and later top himself. (With a handgun, ironically) Couldnt do that here, as thanks to him, they all ahd to be handed in!


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wal[i]t_of_the_walts said:

The whole edifice is crumbling away. The truth could be as horrific as the original tragedy.
But if the truth comes out, will justice be served ?

It would be nice to believe so...


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The excuse for the 100 year D-notice was, "to protect the feelings of the families."

To which families this statement referred was not explained...
Who was the MP for Dunblane at the time?
I really must change the frequency on my tin-foil Napoleon hat.

Mind you, odd things do tend to happen up there in the Land of Ice and Snow, don't they?

W of the W .. I thought it was the local primary school where this occurred .. not the QVS (which granted is in Dunblane but was not the scene of this tragedy).
If there is substance to the cover-up theory, then the information will enter the public domain sooner rather than later. "They" couldn't even cover up the behind-the-scenes fiddling before Iraq!
MrPVRd said:
If there is substance to the cover-up theory, then the information will enter the public domain sooner rather than later. "They" couldn't even cover up the behind-the-scenes fiddling before Iraq!
There's the 100 year moratorium on most of the documents - unless someone can be persuaded to leak some important ones, we won't find out until 2097.
From the Herald:

Dunblane secret documents contain letters by Tory and Labour ministers

Investigation: By Neil Mackay, Home Affairs Editor

LETTERS between Labour and Tory ministers and correspondence relating to Thomas Hamilton's alleged involvement with Freemasonry are part of a batch of more than 100 documents about the Dunblane mass murder which have been sealed from public sight for 100 years.
The documents include a letter connected to Hamilton, which was sent by George Robertson, currently head of Nato, to Michael Forsyth, who was then Secretary of State for Scotland.

Until now it was thought that a 100-year public secrecy order had only been placed on one police report into Hamilton which allegedly named high-profile politicians and legal figures. However, a Sunday Herald investigation has uncovered that 106 documents, which were submitted to the Dunblane inquiry in 1996, were also placed under the 100-year rule.

The Scottish Executive has claimed the 100-year secrecy order was placed on the Central Police report, which was drafted in 1991 five years before the murders, to protect the identities of children named in the report. Hamilton had allegedly abused a number of children prior to his 1996 gun attack on Dunblane primary school in which 16 primary one children and a teacher died before Hamilton turned his gun on himself.

However, only a handful of the documents, which the Sunday Herald has discovered to be also subject to the 100-year rule, relate to children or name alleged abuse victims.

The most intriguing document is listed as: 'Copy of letter from Thomas Hamilton to Dunblane parents regarding boys' club, and flyer advertising Dunblane Boys' Sports Club. Both sent to Rt Hon Michael Forsyth, MP, Secretary of State for Scotland, by George Robertson MP.' Also closed under the 100-year rule is a 'submission to Lord James Douglas Hamilton, MP, Minister of State at the Scottish Office, concerning government evidence to the Inquiry'.

Another document relates to correspondence between the clerk of the Dunblane inquiry, which was presided over by Lord Cullen, and a member of the public regarding 'possible affiliations of Thomas Hamilton with Freemasonry ... and copy letters from Thomas Hamilton'.

SNP deputy justice minister, Michael Matheson, said: 'The explanation to date about the 100 -year rule was that it was put in place to protect the interests of children named in the Central Police report. How can that explanation stand when children aren't named? The 100-year rule needs to be re-examined with respect to all documents.'

Matheson has written to the Lord Advocate, Colin Boyd, asking why the 100-year rule applies and how it can be revoked. He has so far had no response. He also asked First Minister Jack McConnell to explain the reasons for the 100-year order but received 'no substantial answer'. Matheson is to write to Colin Boyd a second time, in the light of the discovery that more than 100 other documents are also sealed, asking him to account for the decision.

A spokeswoman for the Crown Office said: 'In consultation with the Crown Office and the Scottish Office, Lord Cullen agreed that in line with the age of some of the individuals involved and named in the inquiry, the closure period would be 100 years. The Lord Advocate is considering issuing a redacted copy of the productions, which would blank out identifying details of children and their families. A decision on this has yet to be made.'

Other sealed key reports on Dunblane include:

A 'comparative analysis of Thomas Hamilton' by Central Scotland Police

Information about Hamilton's 'use and possession of firearms'

Pathology reports, Hamilton's autopsy report, and analysis by Glasgow University's forensic science lab on blood, urine and liver samples from Hamilton's body

Details on firearms licensing policies

A review by Alfred Vannet, regional procurator fiscal of Grampian, Highland and Islands, of 'reports and information in respect of Thomas Hamilton submitted to the procurator fiscals of Dumbarton and Stirling by Strathclyde Police and Central Police'

A psychological report on Hamilton

Guidance from the British Medical Association on granting firearms licences

'Transcript of and correspondence relating to answering-machine tape which accidentally recorded conversation between police officers at the scene of the Dunblane incident'

Correspondence and witness statements 'relating to allegations of sexual abuse made against Hamilton'
This one is from a conspiracy website:


How many stories like this do we have to see, before most people see these stories? How many more dots need connecting, before they blacken the page?

Maybe you remember Dunblane. Suspiciously, there's a 100-year ban on the police report into Thomas Hamilton, who murdered 16 primary schoolchildren and their teacher in Dunblane, Scotland on March 13, 1996. According to The Guardian in 2003, "there have been allegations that the lengthy closure order was placed on the report after it linked Hamilton to figures in the Scottish establishment, including two senior politicians and a lawyer."

Also in 2003, NATO's Lord Robertson sued The Sunday Herald over speculation that he had used his Masonic influence to procure a gun licence for Hamilton, and was himself a member of an elite paedophile ring run by Hamilton.

Now, from today's Daily Telegraph:

Police, killer in child sex ring

EDINBURGH: Police were involved in a paedophile ring that covered up abuse allegations against the man responsible for the infamous Dunblane school massacre.

The astonishing claim was made by former paramedic Sandra Uttley, who is going to the European Court of Human Rights to demand a new inquiry into the tragedy.

The 45-year-old, who dealt with the aftermath of the killings in her job as a paramedic, said: "There are glaring anomalies in the inquiry, inconsistencies in witness testimony, incorrect information given on oath and the absence of vital witnesses.

"It is also blatantly obvious that Central Scotland Police, who were chosen to investigate the background to the murders, should never have been involved in a so-called independent inquiry. They were implicated in the events under scrutiny and continually provided Hamilton with renewals of his gun licence despite long-term and repeated warnings that this should not happen. It was known that Hamilton had friends in the police force, including one highly placed officer.
It should be noted that central Scotland is rife with paedos! There was a bloke arrested near Alloa (not far from Dunblane) for downloading the unmentionable stuff on a work computer recently, and it seems that every week there are news reports of someone appearing in court for related offences.

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