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Dummkopf! Another security breach from a recycled computer hard drive

Ahhh, so it was the project name.



LARS was the 110mm weapon system that predates MARS, mid to late 60's if memory is correct. MARS was originally a competition between the British FOIL (Would you like to know more?) system and the RS-80. The Germans had been playing silly buggers to avoid under all circumstances, buying the superior British system. Then the Treasury got fed up and cancelled FOIL, leaving the Germans looking all smug and thinking how the British would now have to accept their system.
Then the US whom had been saying "Nope we're not interested" suddenly showed up and said "Look what we've got! It's the new NATO standard, so pay up!", and the Germans were hoisted by their own petard as they had delayed for so long the US had managed to catch up.
To be utterly fair the MLRS was a good system with advantages over both the RS-80 and FOIL. But one does have to wonder how the FOIL would have turned out.
I had to look that up. RS-80 one of this doomed multinational projects where the parnters couldn't agree. Never saw MLRS in action but what I heard it is rather impressive.
 
I'm not convinced bashing it with a hammer works very well.

My neighbour asked me to destroy her hard drive (as she was rather prim and proper I think it was because of financial data) and it was really difficult to smash the platters with an axe. I was genuinely surprised at how resilient they were.
 
I use a sledgehammer on the electronics and the point of a pickaxe to fubar the platters. I’ve probably already bought my last disk though. Flash is cheaper, faster, MUCH lower power and MUCH smaller. Yet to see on reliability, but I’ve got a laptop that I’ve had since 2013 with an SSD and it’s still reliable. I’ve got too small of a dataset though to objectively comment on my experience on flash reliability.

I can see in my medium-term future some kind of RAID setup with large flash cards as a NAS-type device. Just burn the cards when they’re lifex. Whole thing needn’t be any bigger than a fag packet.
 

Joshua Slocum

LE
Book Reviewer
AT my old employers, we had a chop saw left set up
we locked the drive on to the base plate and cut the thing in half
, then they all got piled into a crate for disposal
 
I'm not convinced bashing it with a hammer works very well.

My neighbour asked me to destroy her hard drive (as she was rather prim and proper I think it was because of financial data) and it was really difficult to smash the platters with an axe. I was genuinely surprised at how resilient they were.

I don’t think it’s necessary (on a consumer level) to completely destroy the platters, you just need to sufficiently disrupt each disk so that they can’t rotate under the head. And/or destroy the head. Of course if you’ve got plans for Trident D5 guidance systems on it, then perhaps one ought to throw them in a blast furnace. But for the average criminal to reconstruct a HD with smashed electronics, dented platters and fubarred motor will be quite a challenge.
 
I use a sledgehammer on the electronics and the point of a pickaxe to fubar the platters. I’ve probably already bought my last disk though. Flash is cheaper, faster, MUCH lower power and MUCH smaller. Yet to see on reliability, but I’ve got a laptop that I’ve had since 2013 with an SSD and it’s still reliable. I’ve got too small of a dataset though to objectively comment on my experience on flash reliability.

I can see in my medium-term future some kind of RAID setup with large flash cards as a NAS-type device. Just burn the cards when they’re lifex. Whole thing needn’t be any bigger than a fag packet.
We still specify HDD on our seismic equipment servers as SDD don't have the same longevity in terms of read/write cycles. Mind you, they do get hammered way beyond most other applications in use, and SSD technology is catching up.
 
from another site:

Around 1999 or so, I was a brand-new IT manager in a conglomerate of radio stations. We had a sleeve of “account executives” who thought they were all that.

One called my office one day saying that her data was gone and she couldn’t work, and that her computer was dead. I asked her to bring the box to me, and she did. I rebuilt it with the backup data. The next week, it died again. I rebuilt again. The next week, yet again.

She emailed the GM, VP of operations, my boss, and the owner of the company saying that I was unable to do my job. I was annoyed, at least. The next week, she had the same complaint about her desktop box. I went to her cubicle and retrieved a tower with no fewer than twenty fridge magnets affixed to it. I was vindicated.
 
Get them shredded, a lot of recycle companies now shred hard drives and you get back a certificate of destruction.
 
I had to look that up. RS-80 one of this doomed multinational projects where the parnters couldn't agree. Never saw MLRS in action but what I heard it is rather impressive.

RS-80 was a pile of shite. It was generally fired at someone over that way, and you'd be lucky to hit the correct post code. The Germans wanted it cheap, and built in Germany. Thus they insisted that scatterable minefields were the all important bit (as well as some other shite just to **** with the British design).

This is what you could have had from Project Foil, if the Boxheads hadn't bitched about minefields, and outright lied over temperature requirements so much:


There was a version of it on the back of the Warrior chassis, as well as an armoured version of the truck. Although the Warrior version would have been the most viable. FOIL was designed around the principles of Maximum accuracy and Lethality. They worked out that a Battery salvo from FOIL would destroy 48% of a Soviet Artillery batteries vehicles, and a huge amount of its personnel (IIRC 75%+) of a Soviet Artillery battery. Even a single 9in rocket would theoretically account for 12% of the vehicles in the target area. As they're rockets you link it to the fire-finder Radar, and as soon as you have a target, dump a salvo, and get out before retribution, re-load and you're ready for the next one. Such a system would have stood a damn good chance of removing the Red Army's artillery support in a very short order.

If you want to know more, I cover the FOIL/RS-80 battle in my new book.
 

AlienFTM

MIA
Book Reviewer
Wipe any hard drive will killdisk it wipes everything including the mbr.
Either that or open up, push a magnet over the surface & hit with hammer.
Or rip the connect ribbons & break soldering on the pcb chips.
In theory, all IBM software still ships on magnetic tape. In fact these days they load tape images onto a website for customers to download. During my time building, testing, etc the tape images for WebSphere MQ for z/OS , when we still used tapes, I was regularly instructed to ship a tape of the latest Alpha or Beta release, the Client Attachment tape or a replacement to a customer.

We had a pool of tapes for all our business. The Client Attachment feature occupied a seriously small length of tape. Whatever had been on the tape before could have been anything, and not for customers, and would still be on the tape beyond the end of tape marker. So we added a few lines of WRITE TO OPERATOR messages in the Job Control Language that submitted the Job and instructed the operator to mount the tape. The WTO messages instructed the operator to pass the tape through a bespoke degausser that wiped the tape utterly. Then the operator mounted the tape and the Job copied the data on.
 
Wipe any hard drive will killdisk it wipes everything including the mbr.
Either that or open up, push a magnet over the surface & hit with hammer.
Or rip the connect ribbons & break soldering on the pcb chips.
Or do what I do which is to apply 100 gms of white noise to the drive. They don’t like it up em!
 
Having to build a LAN network for the Sigs in Cyprus in 98, OC was briefed by the FofS that we could do it on the cheap?

Cyprus seemed to be slightly corrupt ;). Took forever to get a phone line and modem.

‘’Until the Sqn “employed” a local who’s father was a big egg in the Cypriot telephone company . Surprisingly faster customer service after.

Any way building the LAN , all components were “NEW’ in the box , plastic wrapped.So we built the machines from the ground up.


I was quite surprised when I connected the Hard Disks for the main server to see that they were formatted and full of data from the Cyprus Water Board.
 
Many of talked about destroying drives with pavement rollers, angle grinders, drills, angle grinders etc.
That seems a bit excessive.

I recall that Hillary Clinton was able to defeat the (allegedly*) best efforts of the FBI looking for mishandled classified data by wiping drives with BleachBit. Her staff regularly had cell phones replaced with new ones and the old ones were hammered to bits. She was careful about deleting any classified data. She also avoided the government network by having emails go via a private server in the bathroom closet of her home which was wiped with BleachBit.


*of course it is possible that the Obama White House ordered the FBI not to look too hard.
I have absolutely no knowledge of this. I don't want to join the list of people who "committed suicide"
 

maguire

LE
Book Reviewer
People have tested this by running over hard discs with a steamroller and they could still recover data, far better to repeatedly wipe the disc using specialist software than rely on trashing it by hand

SOP in my last trust where we directly dealt with hdd disposals was to take them to a place near Elephant and Castle for the drives to be physically minced - case, platters, the lot. you end up with a bucket full of fragments a couple of mm's a side.
 
Two things:

1. 20-25 years ago, some gentlemen that I worked with could extract much usable data from HDs up to about 12 re-formats, with not a lot of effort.

2. A pleasant day out was a trip to RR at Derby and watch their special guillotine at work.

:)
 

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