Drugs in the Army...Opinions please

#1
Read an interesting article in the paper about Squaddies being thrown out of the Army for taking drugs, now the opinion is that they may have been a little hasty in booting them out given our fast dwindling troop numbers.

Should being caught in possession or using any drug automatically mean a 'Mag to Grid'???

Part of me says yes.

I wouldnt want to be in Afghanistan or Iraq or anywhere else with someone who is coked out of his brains.

But if someone is caught with, lets say a joint of Cannabis, should they be thrown out as well???


And if you think yes, then what about alcohol in the Army? should anyone turning up p i s s e d for duty be slung out too??


Discuss.
 
#3
People who smoke weed should get a slap on the wrist...But if they are smoking while on camp/on duty they should be punished.
The people who take the harder drugs should be punished, but they should also recieve help if they are descent people and good at their job.
The people who are complete wasters should be booted out...
 
#5
It has been discussed to death on these pages, do a search.

The vast majority think the zero tolerance policy is the right one, there are a minority who think that a joint here or there is ok.

I'm with the majority.
 
#6
Re "Cannabis OK" attitude. It was accounts and film from US Army in Vietnam of troops high on cannabis that led to a drug awareness programme in BAOR 1969'ish. This - naturally - highlighted that there were many BOR with week-end taster habit and set off calls for mandatory testing. Certainly, the US stuff was agit-prop arising from ignorance by their higher command but do not forget it was also about this time the LSD "I can fly off high buildings" panic took root. Additionally, I do not see how our armed forces can say cannabis is no crime all the while it is classified as a drug for civilians.
 
#7
OldRedCap said:
Re "Cannabis OK" attitude. It was accounts and film from US Army in Vietnam of troops high on cannabis that led to a drug awareness programme in BAOR 1969'ish. This - naturally - highlighted that there were many BOR with week-end taster habit and set off calls for mandatory testing. Certainly, the US stuff was agit-prop arising from ignorance by their higher command but do not forget it was also about this time the LSD "I can fly off high buildings" panic took root. Additionally, I do not see how our armed forces can say cannabis is no crime all the while it is classified as a drug for civilians.
Remember the training vid about LSD with some RAF Air technician working on a plane when suddenly he gets a flashback???

Those old training videos were hilarious.

I seem to remember a young looking David Jason in one for something as well
 
#8
Use drugs - Bye Bye.

The current policies stop the good career soldiers from doing something stupid on the weekends. Or atleast reduce the amount that do.

As for being drunk on duty. Depending on what that duty is you should also be looking at severe punishment. Any kind of duty involving being armed with live ammunition should be instant jail followed by, Bye bye!
 
#9
People who deliberately do anything that is contrary to the very particular standards of the British Army (the best army in the World, lest anyone should forget) and in the knowledge that that particular activity results in having their employment terminated are both stupid and do not deserve to wear the same uniform as I proudly do.
 
#10
Zero tolerance to drugs means just that.
 
#11
Dragstrip said:
People who deliberately do anything that is contrary to the very particular standards of the British Army (the best army in the World, lest anyone should forget) and in the knowledge that that particular activity results in having their employment terminated are both stupid and do not deserve to wear the same uniform as I proudly do.
So you have a first class Soldier.

Never been in any sort of trouble.

Best bloke in the Platoon/Batallion/Company/whatever.

Goes out one weekend, makes a first silly mistake by smoking something he shouldn't, gets caught, he should be thrown out??


How about blokes that habitually get p i s s e d every weekend and turn up for guard duty stinking of drink?
 
#12
Randy_McNob said:
Dragstrip said:
People who deliberately do anything that is contrary to the very particular standards of the British Army (the best army in the World, lest anyone should forget) and in the knowledge that that particular activity results in having their employment terminated are both stupid and do not deserve to wear the same uniform as I proudly do.
So you have a first class Soldier.

Never been in any sort of trouble.

Best bloke in the Platoon/Batallion/Company/whatever.

Goes out one weekend, makes a first silly mistake by smoking something he shouldn't, gets caught, he should be thrown out??

YES


How about blokes that habitually get p i s s e d every weekend and turn up for guard duty stinking of drink?
AS ABOVE
 
#13
Randy_McNob said:
Dragstrip said:
People who deliberately do anything that is contrary to the very particular standards of the British Army (the best army in the World, lest anyone should forget) and in the knowledge that that particular activity results in having their employment terminated are both stupid and do not deserve to wear the same uniform as I proudly do.
So you have a first class Soldier.

Never been in any sort of trouble.

Best bloke in the Platoon/Batallion/Company/whatever.

Goes out one weekend, makes a first silly mistake by smoking something he shouldn't, gets caught, he should be thrown out??


How about blokes that habitually get p i s s e d every weekend and turn up for guard duty stinking of drink?
Q1: Yes, and good ridance to the idiot. I am glad that his exit is eased by clear policy.

Q2: Yes, this case is complicated by the absense of specific policy. However, stick him on a FW and hoof him out too when he does not reform.
 
#14
Drugs are illegal, alcohol is not. Unless that ever changes then you cannot compare them in this particular argument. On a personal note I have known 2 alcoholics who were binned due to their alcoholism.

edit: As for first silly mistake. The person would know that drugs are illegal and using them can cost their job so yes kick them out.
 
#15
Dragstrip said:
Randy_McNob said:
Dragstrip said:
People who deliberately do anything that is contrary to the very particular standards of the British Army (the best army in the World, lest anyone should forget) and in the knowledge that that particular activity results in having their employment terminated are both stupid and do not deserve to wear the same uniform as I proudly do.
So you have a first class Soldier.

Never been in any sort of trouble.

Best bloke in the Platoon/Batallion/Company/whatever.

Goes out one weekend, makes a first silly mistake by smoking something he shouldn't, gets caught, he should be thrown out??


How about blokes that habitually get p i s s e d every weekend and turn up for guard duty stinking of drink?
Q1: Yes, and good ridance to the idiot. I am glad that his exit is eased by clear policy.

Q2: Yes, this case is complicated by the absense of specific policy. However, stick him on a FW and hoof him out too when he does not reform.
I agree with you.
 
#16
halomonkey said:
Drugs are illegal, alcohol is not. Unless that ever changes then you cannot compare them in this particular argument. On a personal note I have known 2 alcoholics who were binned due to their alcoholism.
Correct. Just because alcohol is not specifically banned under mil law, it does not mean that the CoC cannot (or more importantly, should not) pursue the reformation or discharge if individuals on the grounds of inefficiency or conduct. That's what FWs are for.
 
#17
devilish said:
It has been discussed to death on these pages, do a search.

The vast majority think the zero tolerance policy is the right one, there are a minority who think that a joint here or there is ok.

I'm with the majority.
Like you Devlish I am with the majority. The trouble is people trying to rationalise drug taking by saying it was only a spliff it doesn't do any harm. One of the troubles with heavy canabis use is that it can lead to paranoia and who wants a paranoid guy next to him with a loaded weapon?
Besides, rationalise 1 spliff and then what's next? It was only one 'E', everybody takes it, it's OK.
If you are serving and you take any illegal drug then you are committing a crime and you know it. The crime is not taking over a certain amount it is taking any at all. If as a soldier the only way you can enjoy yourself is by drugs then you really haven't learnt much from your service.
Drug taking has become a massive problem for some Armies, especially when you get dealers etc who are serving. Stamp it on the head and quick. We may be short on manpower but that doesn't mean we have to put up with sh1t.
 
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#18
NO, NO, NO, anybody caught taking illigel drugs in the milletery, should be shot at dawn. ------dicipline lack of !
 
#19
ALVIN said:
NO, NO, NO, anybody caught taking illigel drugs in the milletery, should be shot at dawn. ------dicipline lack of !
Have you been smoking something?
 
#20
Cannabis has all sorts of proven serious psychological effects; paranoia, psychosis etc, all of which are very dangerous in a military situation. As for your argument about the perfect soldier who "makes a mistake", my reply is fcuk him; he knew the rules. By your logic, if he killed someone in the street we should overlook it because he's otherwise perfect. As for the drunkard, he would be dealt with too; being drunk on duty is a specific offence under the Army Act and a drunkard is a liability to everyone around him.

Undermanned or not, we cannot allow standards to slip.
 

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