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Drug users are not welcomed in Australian army.

#2
I can see no controversy. It's just saying that potential recruits can admit to having TRIED illegal drugs, instead of having to lie about it. Or have I missed something?
 
#3
Not quite welcomed, Sergey

I suspect that there will be the same rules as UK mil intakes. Acceptance of the fact that they have in the past transgressed with the simple guideline they will be out on their arrse if they get caught doing so again
 
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in_the_cheapseats said:
Not quite welcomed, Sergey

I suspect that there will be the same rules as UK mil intakes. Acceptance of the fact that they have in the past transgressed with the simple guideline they will be out on their arrse if they get caught doing so again
I understand. So there are only few drug addicts (if any) in Australian army.

http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2004/02/21/1077072890926.html

A Royal Australian Air Force whistleblower, who revealed the use of illegal drugs in the airforce's elite Airfield Defence Wing at Amberley, Queensland, has been moved at least five times because of fears for his life.
No doubt he lied and it was a hard task to find a regiment where he could serve. Nobody likes liars.

The army has uncovered illicit drug use at bases in Darwin in the Northern Territory, Townsville in Queensland and Woodside in South Australia, according to the Chief of the Army, Lieutenant-General Peter Leahy. Forty-seven soldiers had tested positive in Darwin, with 24 so far discharged.
Dischaged. Of course drug users are not welcomed in Australian army.
 
#5
Sergey

When did you change the title of this thread? The new title is as correct as your first attempt. Are you now changing this thread from recruiting to serving personnel?

Forty-seven soldiers had tested positive in Darwin, with 24 so far discharged.
No different from any sane military employer, I would hope. Get rid of dross when you find it.

Since you seem to be so well informed on the matter, what is the Russian Army's policy on this subject?
 
#7
Sergey,

how many drug users are there in the Soviet (Oops, sorry, Russian) Army??. Just so we can make comparisons as its obviously a vital issue for you.
 
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in_the_cheapseats said:
Sergey

When did you change the title of this thread? The new title is as correct as your first attempt.
Pre-note: it is the NAAFI Bar. Keep smile!

I wrote 'welcomed' and it was not good. I changed it for 'not welcomed' - it is not good again.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/2848467.stm

Russia is to introduce new regulations which will ban homosexuals, drug addicts and alcoholics from serving in the armed forces.
The new rules - published in the official Rossiyskaya Gazeta - say people "who have problems with their identity and sexual preferences" can only be drafted during war times.

The ban - taking effect on 1 July - also extends to those who regularly use illegal drugs and alcohol.
However I suspect that the problem remains unresolved.
 
#9
Replacement to last post as I suddenly realised I was unfairly stamping on Sergey.

Ok Sergey - policy question answered.

What then are the numbers of users/abusers of drink and drugs in the Russian Army currently? I have had a look around Pravda and found strangely, that the subject is not commented on, at least on the English language site.

However several foreign sites suggest you have real problems on both these fronts. With this new policy and with the problem you have with "hazing", your recruiting problem is going to get even worse isn't it?

Comment?
 
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in_the_cheapseats said:
Replacement to last post as I suddenly realised I was unfairly stamping on Sergey.

Ok Sergey - policy question answered.

What then are the numbers of users/abusers of drink and drugs in the Russian Army currently? I have had a look around Pravda and found strangely, that the subject is not commented on, at least on the English language site.

However several foreign sites suggest you have real problems on both these fronts. With this new policy and with the problem you have with "hazing", your recruiting problem is going to get even worse isn't it?

Comment?
Show me please, articles on BBC, CNN, on main British or American newspapers about drug users in Russian army and I would be able to comment.

I realised that there are too few reports about drug users in Russian army in Russian free (indeed free) press. Many newspapers stay on obviously anti-army positions and adore to expose any wrongdoings in Russian armed forces (bulling, bribes, using soldiers as cheap workforce and so on). As for drugs then 'free press's relatively calm. There was a report about praporshchik (NCO) who sold drugs. It looks as an isolated case. It doesn't mean that the problem doesn't exist. However its scale is not huge anyway.

Anecdote:

Russian drug addict asks himself: drugs or vodka? And answers himself: Am I not Russian?!

Something that would be regarded as a bitter alcohogolism is not something special in Russia. So Russian officers are mainly sober from one point of view and alcohogolics from another one.
 
#13
Yet in my experience of Australian servicemen they positively encourage the recruitment of sex-maniac, alcoholic, violent psychopaths who like rugby football...which explains why they are top allies!!
 

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