Drop middle-class academic subjects says schools adviser

#1
It's from the Daily Hate but has to be based on some level of truth. It just shows they've really lost the plot now though.

Pupils would no longer study history, geography and science but learn skills such as energy- saving and civic responsibility through projects and themes.....

......The aims include fostering a model pupil who "values personal relationships, is a responsible and caring citizen, is entrepreneurial, able to manage risk and committed to sustainable development".
I'm not really sure how they are going to be a sucessfull entrepeneur if they can't add and have no understanding of the world around them through science, history and geography.

The mans a nutcase and needs to be told so.

Full story.
 
#2
Presumably another example of this government's policies that are based on envy, malice and hate.

Level everyone down to the lowest common denominator and you, the ruling elite, will have no serious opposition to contend with.
 
#3
its a nice theory and with an unlimited budget could be made to work. :roll:
but thats all it is its a theory.
I bet India and china would be keen on the uk following that route :twisted:

better limited subjects taught well and rigorously than 100's taught poorly. :(
 

engr172

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#4
The man is an arrse...and what will he have a Phd in.....Social Values? Fukk off and crawl back under your rock you sanctimonious T!T. If people have no education and understand the basics of the world around them, how can they understand social values and how they fit in to the world?
Aaaaarrrrgggghhhhhh
 

TheIronDuke

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#5
Good news. Having eaten more dinners than I will eat, the last thing I want in my declining years is a bunch of smart kids coming up behind me. Teach them to put their bins out on the right day and how Polar bears dont like the warm weather.

I'll continue to make a decent crust using the brain God gave me, honed by years of learning about useful stuff. Sorted.
 
#6
Hmmm, so the governamnt want to stop young people develop critical reasoning facilities based on rigourous study of real academic subjects, and replace them with government-approved courses on 'values'? So the governemnt decides what values the individual should hold now? I wonder what values those will be- I won't have my kids brainwashed by some commie into believing in 'Valuing personal relationships' (IE being a p*ssy unable to protect themselves) 'being a caring and tolerant citizen' (IE tolerant of the government taking every penny you earn and giving it to dolescum) 'entrepreneurial' (which is opposite to every other recommendation) 'able to manage risk' (in our risk free everyone's a winner society) and 'committed to sustainable development' (swallow every enviro-hippies pet project without having learnt science to realise whats scientific and whats b*llsh1t). Basically, we'll end up competing against 1.2billion chinamen who get paid fcuk all and are still desperate to work with a load of mongs who can't even read or write, are incapable of technical or business innovation, and are still too expensive to hire because of social overheads...


Again, drag 'em all out and shoot them, every politician, civil servant, quango member etc....
 

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#7
TheIronDuke said:
Good news. Having eaten more dinners than I will eat, the last thing I want in my declining years is a bunch of smart kids coming up behind me. Teach them to put their bins out on the right day and how Polar bears dont like the warm weather.

I'll continue to make a decent crust using the brain God gave me, honed by years of learning about useful stuff. Sorted.
Until your rapidly aging body starts to fail and you need a doctor. Then you will get the best and brightest of retards poking and prodding you :lol:
 

BrunoNoMedals

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#8
engr172 said:
The man is an arrse...and what will he have a Phd in.....Social Values? Fukk off and crawl back under your rock you sanctimonious T!T. If people have no education and understand the basics of the world around them, how can they understand social values and how they fit in to the world?
Aaaaarrrrgggghhhhhh
Indeed. All these people throughout the course of history who've learned their social values through the education they've received and the life they've experienced are apparently not good enough and we have to bypass the actual "living" stage and indoctrinate standard values at school.

Genius.
 
#9
Surely teaching energy saving would involve Science, Geography and a little History......
 
#10
If you don't know where you've come from, going forward can be a bit of an arrse...so both history and geography could be pretty important - metaphorically and in reality. Unless of course you are some hippy one world idealist who thinks apologising to the ghanaians for buying slaves from them is what history is all about.
 
#11
As a university Admissions Officer, I'd like to say a big 'Fcuk off' to this twat.

If he and his ilk are so damn good at their job of advising pupils on their educational futures, why are so many students arriving on degree programmes completely out of their depth and either transferring to BA Flower Arranging with Fluffy Kittens or dropping out entirely?
 
#12
I think there is an article in the Independent about a University the is re-introducing entrance exams for its students as the A levels they take now are crap.

Found the article linky.
 
#13
Yes, Imperial college - ranked 5th in the world - has stated that A levels are pants and are instituting an admissions exam. So tell me Ed, is it Balls by name and Balls by nature?
 
#15
Ord_Sgt said:
I think there is an article in the Independent about a University the is re-introducing entrance exams for its students as the A levels they take now are crap.

Found the article linky.
Hell, Law and Medicine have been using Aptitude Tests for years to filter out the A students from the A++++ and A+++++++ students.

I've said it before and I'll say it again, the teaching profession needs to sort its own shit out first before it starts laying in to others. Giving some indication of actual pupil ability would be a good start.

What's most worrying to me, professionally, is that the same ethos is creeping up into FE/HE as well. Get the bloody accountants out of the big seats and remember that there are no such things as customers in education. They're not paying for anything other than to find out exactly where they stand in the grand scheme of things.
 

BrunoNoMedals

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#16
Teachers have to teach to a curriculum, but not because they want to. The fact that kids are being taught enough to pass exams, and not the things that would actually make a difference to their life, is not the fault of the individual teacher.
 

TheIronDuke

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#17
smartascarrots said:
What's most worrying to me, professionally, is that the same ethos is creeping up into FE/HE as well.
Its crept, setup camp and is doing nice business selling Lucky Heather. Ask any lecturer. Foreign students who pay £50k a year, cant speak English and when they do attend lectures, sit in a huddle thumbing their mobile and giggling? Come exam time, their paper looks like it has been written by an Oxford Don. Thats because it has.

But if we're allocating blame? The parents.

Who want to announce "Tarquin is going to University. He is doing Media Studies"

So instead of doing an NVQ that would let him earn £25k p.a. in 3 years time, Tarquin emerges blinking into the sunlight with a 'degree' that qualifies him to do, er, fuck all and £25k of debt. Then he goes to Waterstones and works for minimum wage.
 
#18
The one thing that grips my pooh about this and socialism, is the need to bring everything DOWN to the lowest common denominator. Why not try to encourage those kids from a less well off background to improve and raise themselves out of present conditions. It just goes back to the old thing of "don't worry, you don't have to change or expend any effort to make your life better, we the government will make life easier for you and you will get a free ride". We need to reinstate the ideal in this country that nothing comes for free.

On a personal level, I really want this idea to Foxtrot Oscar as the wife is a geography teacher and if this goes ahead, she could be out of a job.

Ish
 
#19
TheIronDuke said:
smartascarrots said:
What's most worrying to me, professionally, is that the same ethos is creeping up into FE/HE as well.
Its crept, setup camp and is doing nice business selling Lucky Heather. Ask any lecturer. Foreign students who pay £50k a year, cant speak English and when they do attend lectures, sit in a huddle thumbing their mobile and giggling? Come exam time, their paper looks like it has been written by an Oxford Don. Thats because it has.

But if we're allocating blame? The parents.

Who want to announce "Tarquin is going to University. He is doing Media Studies"

So instead of doing an NVQ that would let him earn £25k p.a. in 3 years time, Tarquin emerges blinking into the sunlight with a 'degree' that qualifies him to do, er, fuck all and £25k of debt. Then he goes to Waterstones and works for minimum wage.
My bold. Depends on the Uni. I'm in a Russell Group one and the market positioning simply wouldn't stand up to that kind of thing. Good students-good rankings=good reputations=research grants=more good students, etc. I know that others are not so selective, we can often palm our rejects off on mates elsewhere where fees are more important.

Couldn't agree more with the rest of your post, though. Middle-class aspiration has done more damage to the nation's education system than any amount of well-intentioned meddling ever could. What's wrong with just accepting that your kid's thick? Why demand that a perfectly good system be buggered about with just so they can get through it?
 
#20
smartascarrots said:
Ord_Sgt said:
I think there is an article in the Independent about a University the is re-introducing entrance exams for its students as the A levels they take now are crap.

Found the article linky.
Hell, Law and Medicine have been using Aptitude Tests for years to filter out the A students from the A++++ and A+++++++ students.

I've said it before and I'll say it again, the teaching profession needs to sort its own shit out first before it starts laying in to others. Giving some indication of actual pupil ability would be a good start.

What's most worrying to me, professionally, is that the same ethos is creeping up into FE/HE as well. Get the bloody accountants out of the big seats and remember that there are no such things as customers in education. They're not paying for anything other than to find out exactly where they stand in the grand scheme of things.
Shame it doesn't f*cking work. I wouldn't want half of the guys in my year to be my doctor.

That being said, A-levels show nothing. Its pitifully easy to get three A's, which is enough for the best universities and it seems to bear little relation to the skills you actually use when you are here. I think it runs much deeper than grade inflation and teaching for exams.
 

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