Drone vs Drone war

TheIronDuke

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#1
If you have managed to get out of the house recently you will know that China and Japan are nose to nose over the Malvinas. Or the local equivalent.

The Japs are buying advanced drones from the Septics and the Chinese are cloning them. The grown-ups feel this will lead to the first Drone vs Drone war. Where the boots on the ground are 3,000 miles away and clock off at the end of their shift then go for a beer and a burger.

So, my question... Could / can super smart drones make badly dressed soldiers obsolete?
 
#2
Yes, my AR Drone annoys the hell out of my neighbour as I perv through her windows in the hopes of a glimpse.
 
#3
Not unless they can operate independently of a control system. Otherwise I'd imagine that EW would seriously limit their use against a technologically advanced adversary. It's certainly possible to build a UAV that could operate independently but I fear it'd inevitably result in unfortunate targeting mistakes.

I suppose a way round it could be to establish sterile areas and let the drones fly around attacking anything in the area a bit like a fenced area with a psycho attack dog or a minefield.
 

TheIronDuke

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#4
Yes, my AR Drone annoys the hell out of my neighbour as I perv through her windows in the hopes of a glimpse.
Sorry. Had I wanted the view of Wi-Fi sex criminals I would have titled the post

WI-FI SEX CRIMINALS THIS WAY &&& CASH FOR YOUR USED UNDIES $$$


But I did not. So **** off Wi-Fi sex criminal and keep your filthy secrets to yourself.
 

TheIronDuke

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#5
Not unless they can operate independently of a control system.
They cannot. The operator is 3,000 miles away. They have ROE and a CoC. But they are thousands of miles away. Bits of plastic and tech, buzzing about the place. And soon, they will be shooting the shit out of each other.

Then the winner will have the airspace. And thus, the bit underneath.
 
#6
They cannot. The operator is 3,000 miles away. They have ROE and a CoC. But they are thousands of miles away. Bits of plastic and tech, buzzing about the place. And soon, they will be shooting the shit out of each other.

Then the winner will have the airspace. And thus, the bit underneath.
Yes but if you jam the **** out of them they can't hear the CoC and would have to either not engage anything or engage something based on their own interpretation of the ROE which it won't be that subtle and would probably result in all sorts getting brassed up. So only really usable as an area denial weapon without a direct control link.
 
#7
They are certainly the wave of the future. The Israelis's have some top line kit which we are buying, AKA Watchkeeper. Gawd know's why it's taking so long to become operational, especially as we are effectively leasing the same kit from the Israelis whilst our version is faffed around with. Why not just buy it off the shelf?The burning question for RAF UAV operators I'd guess is, "What star rating hotel do we get to stay at? Higher, lower or the same as aircrew?"And, yes, I know Watchkeeper is an Army system.
 

mercurydancer

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#8
Only boots on the ground means that the ground is taken. Even with the undoubted advantage of drones, some poor bugger has to drop via parachute, fall off a helicopter, run ashore from a floaty thing or simply walk there, but it has to be done. Twas always so.
 
#10
They are certainly the wave of the future. The Israelis's have some top line kit which we are buying, AKA Watchkeeper. Gawd know's why it's taking so long to become operational, especially as we are effectively leasing the same kit from the Israelis whilst our version is faffed around with. Why not just buy it off the shelf?The burning question for RAF UAV operators I'd guess is, "What star rating hotel do we get to stay at? Higher, lower or the same as aircrew?"And, yes, I know Watchkeeper is an Army system.
We're currently using the same kit as the Israelis. Hermes 450 is the base airframe for WATCHKEEPER but sensor wise WATCHKEEPER is streets ahead and should be in service very soon. For a fairly comprehensive and relatively up to date view on it this article is good Watchkeeper Then and Now | Think Defence.
 
#11
Not unless they can operate independently of a control system. Otherwise I'd imagine that EW would seriously limit their use against a technologically advanced adversary. It's certainly possible to build a UAV that could operate independently but I fear it'd inevitably result in unfortunate targeting mistakes.

I suppose a way round it could be to establish sterile areas and let the drones fly around attacking anything in the area a bit like a fenced area with a psycho attack dog or a minefield.
I assume the septics have built targeting mistakes in to the operating system along with automatically uploaded excuses to CNN an d Al jezera.

Like your area denial concept. That could work.
 
#12
Awesome! No longer will the airsoft types have to walt it up - they will be the future CGS, CDS, etc! Some asthmatic, spectacled acne-ridden fat bloater getting medalled whilst the muscular, athletic dinosaurs of a bygone era fetch him more batteries!
 
#15
Sorry. Had I wanted the view of Wi-Fi sex criminals I would have titled the post

WI-FI SEX CRIMINALS THIS WAY &&& CASH FOR YOUR USED UNDIES $$$


But I did not. So **** off Wi-Fi sex criminal and keep your filthy secrets to yourself.
That is rather harsh. I hope you draw your curtains of a night.
 

TheIronDuke

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#16
That is rather harsh. I hope you draw your curtains of a night.
Sorry. I did not mean to come on full-on. I have a small dick and my Mother never really understood me. Sorry.

Oh look. It is a space alien. Just behind your left ear.
 

TheIronDuke

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#18
Only boots on the ground means that the ground is taken. Even with the undoubted advantage of drones, some poor bugger has to drop via parachute, fall off a helicopter, run ashore from a floaty thing or simply walk there, but it has to be done. Twas always so.
Twas always so that one pulled a long bow.

But not any more.

So, these things are up there and they have fought their Drone vs Drone wars and one Drone has come out on top. And it can do denial and exclusion and zap anything on the ground and it's loiter time is days...

The boots on the ground (ours or theirs) might as well **** off and get a brew on.

Drones. The end to war as we know it. Or what?
 
#19
Not unless they can operate independently of a control system. Otherwise I'd imagine that EW would seriously limit their use against a technologically advanced adversary. It's certainly possible to build a UAV that could operate independently but I fear it'd inevitably result in unfortunate targeting mistakes.

I suppose a way round it could be to establish sterile areas and let the drones fly around attacking anything in the area a bit like a fenced area with a psycho attack dog or a minefield.

Fully autonomous drones are not that far off, the air to air and anti ship missions are relatively simple to write the ROE for, is the potential air target transmitting friendly IFF if not blow the sucker up, does the ship match the targeting parameters programmed into the database if so sink it. The real problem lies in the close air support mission as the drone would have to deal with a far more confusing targeting enviroment than in the previous senarios with a high chance of a blue on blue. While this may not seem to be problem for our American friends their lawyers would have a field day arguing over who should pay out in the event of a tragic accident Even so it will not be too far in the future when all the major powers field drones over the battlefield as it's likely to be cheaper than putting airforce personel up in 5 star hotels.
 
#20
Twas always so that one pulled a long bow.

But not any more.

So, these things are up there and they have fought their Drone vs Drone wars and one Drone has come out on top. And it can do denial and exclusion and zap anything on the ground and it's loiter time is days...

The boots on the ground (ours or theirs) might as well **** off and get a brew on.

Drones. The end to war as we know it. Or what?
Won't people just spank each others control stations in the end anyway? Then it's back to manned stuff.
 

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