driving licence in a firefight!!!

Punch said:
RMP in No 2 dress "walked the beat" alongside RUC officers for a short time during the "Honeymoon" period of 1968/9. It was an attempt at an early Hearts and Minds operation but was in fact daft and naive and simply gave the locals some amusement and the terrorists time to organise. In most cases no weapons were carried and only carefully selected areas were patrolled.
The RMP's enjoyed chatting up the female RUC officers however - and one or two even got further!
That was in Belfast City Center. Other patrols, some unarmed took place in the Falls, Andersons Town and over in the Bogside. A number of RMP were shot during these patrols as were the RA and Infantry giving cover.

To my knowledge one RMP Sgt won the MM for throwing himself on a RUC WPC in the attic of Andersonstown police station during a contact and taking a round to the buttock. Months later it was established that he did not have any damage to his trousers :)
 

ugly

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Busterdog said:
RMP DID go out in No2 Dress in NI in the very early 1970s - though seldom in 'hot' areas - it wasn't their job.
I served in NI throughout the 70s - including the early tours during the riots - NEVER saw any snatch teams dressed in PT vest and gutties.

There WERE some stupid orders given to soldiers during the early tours - I remember a RSM baying "Put your hat on!!" to a Jock riding 'top cover' in an open landrover speeding down Springfield Road in 'Hot Pursuit' after a shooting.

Was never in a location with RMP - except an 18 monther in Palace - they would arrive on the scene after an 'incident' or when we had a 'find'. Generally good cheerful lads. There was a feeling of camaraderie among most troops 'on the ground' regardless of capbadge. The RMP were like all units - some good, some tossers.
My bold, I'll agree here, I never saw any during my tour but whilst doing NITAT at Sennelager the RSM and the Provost Sgt gave a lecture on arresting rioters where they described that dress from their 78 toour, it seems it lasted about 2 days before boots etc were used again!
 
duffdike said:
They did it every time there was an outbreak of peace. 1975 cease fire was one period. They just loved it. Day 1. No2 dress and big boots. Plus BFO hat.
Where? I was in GCH at that time and I never saw any, not even in Belfast City Centre itself!
 

vasser

Swinger
back to the OP

It did happen, It was TELIC 1, QDG BG. The guy who jumped on the Digger was a QMs Cpl if I recall correctly, RMP really did ask for his licence (tosser) and a very irate QDG Capt (was RSO then) threatened some quite drastic bodily harm to said RMP.

:D
 
I seem to remember RMP in 2 dress in Londonderry in 1972, deploying out of 8 Bde HQ in Ebrington. Couldn't swear to it - maybe OldRedCap can confirm?
 

HE117

LE
Regardless of the veracity of the Digger story, it is true that the SoS 4 Defence (despite being fully empowered to do so) has never abrogated the Road Traffic Act, Health & Safety at Work Act, Yuman Rights Act etc for troops on operations..

.. because (I would speculate...) with the removal of Crown immunity, this hands a huge Damoclesian sword to the civil serpents in the MoD to dangle over the Military CoC..

Sometimes you couldn't make this stuff up...
 
RMP were very big in Londonderry with a whole company of the feckers with a det of girls as well in Ebrington. They seemed keen on the whole NO 2 dress thing there. Not sure what the routine was in Belfast at that time.
 
duffdike said:
I witnessed a QRF being deployed to a confirmed IED in NI. On reaching the base gate the section commander leapt out, halted the traffic and beckoned his two landrovers forward. At which point he was intercepted by an MP in the full monty of best boots and red cap complete with casually handled smg, who was clutching his police notebook. Said idiot then proceeded to try and grip the section commander for what he had just done. Apart from the issue of plain common sense the MP clearly did not know the first thing about the law as it pertained to operations in NI at all. I have a long standing aversion to the military police which I frequently articulate in the this forum. But it is not without very good reason. On operations they are generally speaking a liability.
They don't have to be on operations to be a liability, in my (30 years of) experience.

They're a liability, full stop.
 
Unfortunately this is not funny. The same mind set which leads to No 2 dress also leads to small groups of RMP being dispatched to dangerous parts of Iraq ill equipped and under armed there to be slaughtered by the locals.
 
duffdike said:
Unfortunately this is not funny. The same mind set which leads to No 2 dress also leads to small groups of RMP being dispatched to dangerous parts of Iraq ill equipped and under armed there to be slaughtered by the locals.
Read the book. Read the reports quoted therein, criticising the training regime for RMP.

Boils down to the officer corps - there being no such thing as bad soldiers; only bad officers somewhere a bit further up the food chain.

RMP, on the other hand are deaf and blind to such observations, and to the evidence behind them.

You, me and the rest of their critics are (obviously :roll: ) just bitter, twisted and biased. 8)
 

Tiger-Monkey2

War Hero
You two need to get a room so you can wa nk each other off as you whisper stories about naughty monkeys in each others ears.
 
Tiger-Monkey2 said:
You two need to get a room so you can wa nk each other off as you whisper stories about naughty monkeys in each others ears.
Just the kind of smart , witty banter that has earned the RMP the unfettered professional admiration of the rest of the Army.

Well done :roll:
 

Themanwho

LE
Book Reviewer
Pretty impressive. From resurrection of a six year old thread via Norn Iron and the troubles to handbags at dawn in less than two pages. This really is the silly season.
 
I never understood forums being anti old threads being "resurrected". wtf not?
 
duffdike said:
I never understood forums being anti old threads being "resurrected". wtf not?
Especialy if people moan about not using the search button before starting a new thread.
 

da_vinci

Swinger
When in macedonia in 2001, we were staying on an american camp. After a while the brits were told by the american commandant that any vehicle whilst moving around camp will have the comd / passenger get out and walk in front of said vehicle to prevent speeding, this was as a result of RMP of all people being coaught on several occasions speeding on camp.

Eventually we got pissed off with this rule and therefore decided that next time that a BFA was seen to be moving around that we would shove one of our blokes in the back to act as escort when the time came.

Sure enough when stopped by yank MP and asked why we did not have an escort the commander said that he was not doing it because he was a sgt and the driver cant do it for obvious reasons. So a few words were shouted into the back and out popped our escort (pretend casualty). With bandage over head covering one eye, arm in sling and limping along with one crutch. the whole camp almost came to a standstillin disbelief as this poor bastard was seen to be escorting the ambi. To the disgust of the yanks we were eventually stopped again further down the main drag and asked what the **** was going on here and ordered by an officer to get a grip.
 
I was there when that happened! Naughty boys.. Wasn't sure if Camp Able Sentry was a name or a description.
 
da_vinci said:
When in macedonia in 2001, we were staying on an american camp. After a while the brits were told by the american commandant that any vehicle whilst moving around camp will have the comd / passenger get out and walk in front of said vehicle to prevent speeding, this was as a result of RMP of all people being coaught on several occasions speeding on camp.

Eventually we got pissed off with this rule and therefore decided that next time that a BFA was seen to be moving around that we would shove one of our blokes in the back to act as escort when the time came.

Sure enough when stopped by yank MP and asked why we did not have an escort the commander said that he was not doing it because he was a sgt and the driver cant do it for obvious reasons. So a few words were shouted into the back and out popped our escort (pretend casualty). With bandage over head covering one eye, arm in sling and limping along with one crutch. the whole camp almost came to a standstillin disbelief as this poor bastard was seen to be escorting the ambi. To the disgust of the yanks we were eventually stopped again further down the main drag and asked what the * was going on here and ordered by an officer to get a grip.
:rofl:

Whether that is true or not (and I don't care) it is bloody funny.
 

da_vinci

Swinger
Forastero said:
I was there when that happened! Naughty boys.. Wasn't sure if Camp Able Sentry was a name or a description.
it was camp able sentry but the brits reffered to it as **** entry :clap:
 

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