Drill sheets

#1
We have recently had a system introduced to my unit whereby we are required not only to sign in but sign out too and the end of a drill night. Recently, I was involved in some recruiting tasks that took me up to about 1030 pm, pretty much everyone had left and the drill sheet was nowhere to be seen so I did not sign out. As a result, I have been told that I wont be paid for that drill night nor will I get my HDT. Is this a system that every TA unit has adopted or is it just something that my unit participates in so that they have yet another oppurtunity to fcuk the guys over?

Bounties are still a sore point too....what month is it now?
 
#2
Wow, that sounds like a flawed system.

Our SSM gets a bit ancy when someone tries to sign out. It's all done by him regardless of times - I guess that's not great for insurance, but it saves hassle.
 
#3
we have the same system, we all have to sign out, under the eye of the troop sgt
 
#4
Mag_to_grid said:
We have recently had a system introduced to my unit whereby we are required not only to sign in but sign out too and the end of a drill night. Recently, I was involved in some recruiting tasks that took me up to about 1030 pm, pretty much everyone had left and the drill sheet was nowhere to be seen so I did not sign out. As a result, I have been told that I wont be paid for that drill night nor will I get my HDT. Is this a system that every TA unit has adopted or is it just something that my unit participates in so that they have yet another oppurtunity to fcuk the guys over?

Bounties are still a sore point too....what month is it now?
That does not seem right. Ask for the document they are using to justify this.

Surely you have a parade at the beginning of the night and one at the end?

msr
 
#5
msr said:
Mag_to_grid said:
We have recently had a system introduced to my unit whereby we are required not only to sign in but sign out too and the end of a drill night. Recently, I was involved in some recruiting tasks that took me up to about 1030 pm, pretty much everyone had left and the drill sheet was nowhere to be seen so I did not sign out. As a result, I have been told that I wont be paid for that drill night nor will I get my HDT. Is this a system that every TA unit has adopted or is it just something that my unit participates in so that they have yet another oppurtunity to fcuk the guys over?

Bounties are still a sore point too....what month is it now?
That does not seem right. Ask for the document they are using to justify this.

Surely you have a parade at the beginning of the night and one at the end?

msr
We are getting majorly screwed on pay issues at the minute but this is the latest one. Everyone signs in at first parade, we have a last parade and then everyone has to go down to the bar for at least one drink. When you decide you are leaving the onus is on you to find the paysheet to sign out.

I will ask for the document to support this though and see what comes up.
 
#7
Mag_to_grid said:
msr said:
Mag_to_grid said:
We have recently had a system introduced to my unit whereby we are required not only to sign in but sign out too and the end of a drill night. Recently, I was involved in some recruiting tasks that took me up to about 1030 pm, pretty much everyone had left and the drill sheet was nowhere to be seen so I did not sign out. As a result, I have been told that I wont be paid for that drill night nor will I get my HDT. Is this a system that every TA unit has adopted or is it just something that my unit participates in so that they have yet another oppurtunity to fcuk the guys over?

Bounties are still a sore point too....what month is it now?
That does not seem right. Ask for the document they are using to justify this.

Surely you have a parade at the beginning of the night and one at the end?

msr
We are getting majorly screwed on pay issues at the minute but this is the latest one. Everyone signs in at first parade, we have a last parade and then everyone has to go down to the bar for at least one drink. When you decide you are leaving the onus is on you to find the paysheet to sign out.

I will ask for the document to support this though and see what comes up.
Our unit has the same system in place, sign in sign out.
 
#8
Mag_to_grid said:
We are getting majorly screwed on pay issues at the minute but this is the latest one. Everyone signs in at first parade, we have a last parade and then everyone has to go down to the bar for at least one drink.
You need to raise this via your chain of command.

You sign on for 2 hours.

It's good to meet up in the bar afterwards, but this cannot be mandated.

msr
 
#9
Mag

Is this 116 Making it's own rules up again? Pat cupcake lightly on the head and tell him to wind his neck in :)
 
#11
Mag_to_grid said:
From the response on here it sounds like it doesnt it mate?
I could say I warned you............ but I wont :lol:

At a guess I would put this squarely down to a certain LE Officer you've got (or has the baldy ex bootneck been sacked yet?) , he (and a couple of his followers) has tried this type of thing several times before and got slapped down for it. Next they'll have you banging pin stakes in and setting up TP's ........... Because that's the way they did it in the 'Old Days' Make 'em sweat and ask them to write a statement! :twisted:
 
#12
we sign in and out daily, even though we're only there for the week end, so we do it from 19:00 - 23:59, 00:01 - 23:59 and 00:01 -16:00!
 
#14
Mag_to_grid said:
...involved in some recruiting tasks that took me up to about 1030 pm, pretty much everyone had left...
If youd been authorised to work till whenever you finished your task then surely someone can vouch for your presence, even if you hadnt been seen, by the work that you had done?
Really grates on me when soldiers have troubble getting paid because a senior or officer cant be bothered to do their job properly.

All in all though, a bunk system, or is your unit so massive that the sergeants cant account for their men?

On another note, cant believe everyone had gone by 2230!
 
#15
We used to have the sign in/sign out system but about 4 to 6 months ago changed back to just signing in.

No idea why we changed to signing in and out in the first place and no idea why we changed back again either, but it was probably because people were forgetting to sign out and causing the clerks problems. We ended up signing in and out at the same time which rather defeats the object.
 
#16
IDONTNEEDAHAIRCUT said:
We used to have the sign in/sign out system but about 4 to 6 months ago changed back to just signing in.
I remember an ex-OC advocating this, when you signed in you came under mil law and signing out meant you left it. It was to be implemented on weekends also, some problem with TA regs. I believe he is now a full Col.
 
#17
We have had this type of sheet for quite a while, I thought it came in as part of JPA.
Anyway, all we have ever done is signed in and signed out at the same time during first parade.

I suspect the signing out bit (with the time) is to do with having a audit trail of evidence for hours worked for time claimed.

All duty sheets are kept on file and as you signed in you have your evidence. If your commanders aren't playing ball by paying you for what they know full well you have attended simply formalise the complaint and request an interview with your PC / OC / CO until you get a satisfactory outcome.
I am sure that any OC worth his salt will be non too pleased to find out that ********** are making it difficult for blokes to get paid.
 
#18
It's to do with insurance I believe?

to be honest everyone has their own bloody sheets at the moment, the ones in TA regs (post JPA) don't have sign in / out but I seem to remember the SPS inspection commented on having to sign in and out...
 
#19
Baldrick66 said:
Mag_to_grid said:
From the response on here it sounds like it doesnt it mate?
I could say I warned you............ but I wont :lol:

At a guess I would put this squarely down to a certain LE Officer you've got (or has the baldy ex bootneck been sacked yet?) , he (and a couple of his followers) has tried this type of thing several times before and got slapped down for it. Next they'll have you banging pin stakes in and setting up TP's ........... Because that's the way they did it in the 'Old Days' Make 'em sweat and ask them to write a statement! :twisted:
Have you been spying on us doing Company Training??? :roll:
 
#20
Mag_to_grid said:
Have you been spying on us doing Company Training??? :roll:
Nowt has changed then :lol: Good use of training time for lads going on Op's NOT! Blood rising, rant mode on............. sod it, not my problem any more.
 

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