Dragon and Defender take to the sea for trials

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I remember a Navy News article from around 1998 when the 45s were still a concept. They talked about nozzles all over the ship that could cloud the ships in a mist to cloak it from missiles etc, hiding the thermal signature. Any ideas if such a system has been employed?
 
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HMS Duncan?!?! Stupid name.

Is that going to be crewed by women only?
 
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HMS Duncan?!?! Stupid name.

Is that going to be crewed by women only?
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Duncan: Not only the name of a character in 'the Scottish Play' based on an actual Scottish king of the same name but also of seven ships of the Royal Navy since 1804, all named after Admiral Adam Duncan, 1st Viscount Duncan of Camperdown and hero of the Battle of Camperdown (11 Oct 1797) in which the British captured eleven Dutch ships without suffering a single loss.

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I remember a Navy News article from around 1998 when the 45s were still a concept. They talked about nozzles all over the ship that could cloud the ships in a mist to cloak it from missiles etc, hiding the thermal signature. Any ideas if such a system has been employed?
All big warships will have that but it's to protect against contamination in areas affected by fallout or chemicals. The fallout hits the water and is immediately flushed over the side instead of sticking to the ship.

What are these two fitted "for but not with" then. Would they have a Harpoon launcher between them? No? They're a bit buggered then if they are attacked by another ship.
 
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All big warships will have that but it's to protect against contamination in areas affected by fallout or chemicals. The fallout hits the water and is immediately flushed over the side instead of sticking to the ship.

What are these two fitted "for but not with" then. Would they have a Harpoon launcher between them? No? They're a bit buggered then if they are attacked by another ship.
As in how?
 
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Could always beg the septics for a couple of these as a gift to the next Prime minister.

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T45 are indeed fitted for but not with a lot, although they are now slowly getting the Phalanx fits, they do have the ASTERS and the 4.5". They have much space for TLAM or Harpoon - although I doubt we'll see them getting TLAM as then they could carry rather more than an SSN and of course the sundodgers can't be having their party piece nicked by us sun bronzed adonis-like surface sailors, now can they? ASW... well, yes, the Merlin is pretty much the only option although the RN still maintains the policy of DDG - AAW, FFG - ASW.

Eventually they'll turn into very capable warships. If we have a war where they need to be upgraded i'm sure they will be. After one's been sunk, of course.
 
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I remember a Navy News article from around 1998 when the 45s were still a concept. They talked about nozzles all over the ship that could cloud the ships in a mist to cloak it from missiles etc, hiding the thermal signature. Any ideas if such a system has been employed?
Are you talking about the pre_wet system to prevent chemicals settling on the upper decks which all ships have or the smoke machines that some t23's have?
 
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Damn! They've deleted the ability to shoot down a cricket ball travelling at Mach 3!


This angular shape, coupled with the Sea Viper missile system, which can take out incoming missiles and aircraft at ranges of up to 75 miles (120km) away, give it world-leading defensive capabilities.
 
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SOI, I believe the original capability was to TRACK a cricket ball at Mach 3, not shoot it down.
 

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Pre-wetting was invented to cast a fine spray all over the superstructure so as to was away nuclear fallout. Originally it was achieved with a lashup of fire hoses but from the 1950s onwards all new ships were fitted with a web of fitted pipework and nozzles to do the job.

When Tiger's was tested in 1959 a senior Shipwright Officer took post right up in the eyes of the ship to observe the completeness of the effect. What he hadn't noticed was that the forwardmost nozzles were pointing right up the inside of the trouser legs of his oilskins.
 
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Duncan: Not only the name of a character in 'the Scottish Play' based on an actual Scottish king of the same name but also of seven ships of the Royal Navy since 1804, all named after Admiral Adam Duncan, 1st Viscount Duncan of Camperdown and hero of the Battle of Camperdown (11 Oct 1797) in which the British captured eleven Dutch ships without suffering a single loss.

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Don't forget a certain pub in the bastion of London machoness, Old Compton Street, that is frequented by young friendly men and bigoted bombers
 
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T45 are indeed fitted for but not with a lot, although they are now slowly getting the Phalanx fits, they do have the ASTERS and the 4.5". They have much space for TLAM or Harpoon - although I doubt we'll see them getting TLAM as then they could carry rather more than an SSN and of course the sundodgers can't be having their party piece nicked by us sun bronzed adonis-like surface sailors, now can they? ASW... well, yes, the Merlin is pretty much the only option although the RN still maintains the policy of DDG - AAW, FFG - ASW.

Eventually they'll turn into very capable warships. If we have a war where they need to be upgraded i'm sure they will be. After one's been sunk, of course.
What's going on with Harpoon? The RAF seem to have stopped using it altogether leaving them without any anti-ship missiles for the Typhoons on the Falklands.

The T45 deployed down south appears to have a big gap in the superstructure that's "for but not with" Harpoon launchers. What's it going to do if a load of Exocet armed Argentinian warships appear on the horizon? Hope that a submarine is in the vicinity? If the duty sub is not nearby, or if it's fitted "for but not with" torpedoes, T45 will be stuffed. The enemy ships can simply stand off beyond gun range and fire Exocets until T45 exhausts its supply of Aster missiles or until one gets through. Shooting down T45s Lynx as it takes off with a load of Sea Skuas would be a minor diversion.

Seems that MoD are making exactly the same mistakes as they made with T42. A single major weapon system means the destroyers need to be accompanied by frigates to cover the gaps in the destroyer's ability.
 

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There's one place in the world where you can pre-wet with fresh water - Gatun Lake in Panama, effectively the header tank for the canal. Useful for washing down the paintwork, the lake is large enough not to bother about any salt, soot or seagull shit that washes into it. The bit where the prewet is turned on while the pilot is scrambling into his boat is worth watching (from a dry spot inside the bridge).
 
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