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  1. 8O
    It is claimed by a reliable source, that Nazi war criminal, Dr.Josef Mengele, has an illigitimate daughter, who was born in early 1961 to an Australian woman of German ancestry. Who had been in Paraguay. Staying in a German colony there with her mother and brother, in mid-1960. It is believed the mother of the child was unaware, at the time, of who the child’s father was. But that her mother (now deceased), referred to as “A” in some articles, was well and truly aware and indeed had friends or relatives in that colony. The mother discovered the horrific truth in the mid-70’s, according to the source, believed to be a close relative and confidente of the child’s mother, until recently. The mother who is referred to as “V”.

    The child was adopted out and was born in Australia.

    According to the source. The child tracked her birth mother down in the early ’90’s. The mother “freaked”. She acknowledged that she was indeed her mother but didn’t want to meet her, but gave her some information regarding her background. But nothing was published as to exactly what. The girl/woman probably is unaware of who her father is(?)

    The child had enclosed a few snapshots. One being a close-up of herself and the second, of her 2 children; A baby girl and a toddler son. The mother was quoted as commenting on how the child had an “eerie and uncanny” resemblence to Josef Mengele. That she had “hauntingly beautiful blue eyes”. But what affected the mother more was that both Mengele and his daughter had a mole on the left side of their faces, in almost an identical position. The child had blonde hair, whereas Mengele’s was darker. Otherwise, apparently she was said to have a very strong resemblence to her infamous father.

    If that woman, who was referred to as “J” put all the pieces together. It would probably be enough to get her thinking, as there’s the issue of a private adoption, and certain conditions we involved. One being their race! Another, I believe, was religion. Mengele’s parents were strict Catholics.

    They stated the child was 4 weeks premature. Apparently Mengele referred to her as “his early birthday present” or “another early birthday present”. This makes sense. Mengele’s birthdate is March 16. His son Rolf’s is March 11. Therefore it would be fair, to my way of thinking, to assume his daughter was born between March 1 and March 15 1961. There was other information too, and to be honest. The whole thing has me really thinking. What would you do if you found out your father was one of the 'so called', most hated men in history?

    I’d be interested in any feedback. It’s an issue, I have never thought about before, but there must be many children out there whose father, or less likely, mother is an almost universal hated figure. And they are unaware of it. The law of averages says some MUST discover the truth. What a nightmare! If the pieces are put together from the things I have read on various Jewish, Nazi and non-Jewish forum sites etc. Since the child knew enough to trace her birth mother. I think she would well and truelly have enough information to really wonder whether it could be her they are talking about. In other words, she could trace herself!

    There is a poll about Mengele’s daughter at http://www.misterpoll.com/3708044159.html

    Check it out.

    UPDATE: It appears the mother has headed for the hills. According to several articles. She has flown the coup to the Barossa Valley in the state of South Australia. This area has a large German population.

    I wonder if she intends telling her daughter the truth about her father before someone tracks her down..and they will. I would not like to hear something like that from the media or worse. - On some TV news show!

    *Some information obtained from Wikipedia; Internet Encyclopaedia.

  2. Josef Mengele
    From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia.

    Josef Mengele
    Dr. Josef Mengele (March 16, 1911–February 7, 1979) was a Nazi physician who performed experiments that were condemned as murderously sadistic on prisoners in Auschwitz. He personally selected over 400,000 prisoners to die in gas chambers in Auschwitz.

    Mengele's nickname was Beppo; he was called the Angel of Death by camp inmates.

    Mengele was born in Günzburg, Bavaria, eldest of three sons of Karl Mengele (1881–1959) and his wife Walburga (d.1946), well-to-do industrialists. His younger brothers were Karl Mengele (1912–1949) and Alois Mengele (1914–1974). In 1926, Josef Mengele was diagnosed with osteomyelitis. Osteomyelitis is a bacterial infection of bone and bone marrow which causes inflammation and can lead to a reduction of blood supply to the bone. Josef studied medicine and anthropology at the University of Munich, the University of Vienna and the University of Bonn. At Munich he obtained a doctorate in Anthropology (Ph.D.) with a dissertation in 1935 on racial differences in the structure of the lower jaw, supervised by Prof. Theodor Mollison. After his exams he went to Frankfurt, working as an assistant to Otmar von Verschuer at the Frankfurt University Institute of Hereditary Biology and Racial Hygiene. In 1938 he obtained a doctorate in medicine with a dissertation on "Clan examinations at lip-jaw-palate-cleft."

    In 1932, at the age of 21, Mengele joined the Stahlhelm, Bund der Frontsoldaten (Steel Helmet, League of Front Soldiers); this organization was incorporated into the SA in 1933, but Mengele resigned shortly thereafter, alluding to health problems. He applied for Nazi party membership in 1937 and in 1938 he joined the SS. In 1939, Mengele married his first wife, Irene Schoenbein. From 1938 to 1939 he served for six months with a specially trained mountain light infantry regiment. In 1940 he was placed in the reserve medical corps, following which he served with a Waffen-SS unit. In 1942 he was wounded at the Russian front and was pronounced medically unfit for combat, and promoted to the rank of SS-Hauptsturmführer (Captain). His next assignment was at Auschwitz, where he replaced another doctor who had fallen ill. On May 24, 1943 he became medical officer of Auschwitz-Birkenau's so-called gypsy camp. In August 1944, this camp was liquidated and all its inmates gassed. Subsequently Mengele became Chief Medical Officer of the main infirmary camp at Birkenau. He was not, though, the Chief Medical Officer of Auschwitz - superior to him was SS-Standortarzt (garrison physician) Eduard Wirths.

    Josef Mengele
    It was during his 21-month stay at Auschwitz that Dr. Mengele achieved infamy, and it is for this period that he was later referred to as the "Angel of Death". Mengele was usually part of the medical delegation which met incoming prisoners, determining which would be retained for work and experimentation, and which would be sent immediately to the gas chambers.

    Of particular interest to Mengele were twins; beginning in 1943, twins were selected and placed in special barracks. Almost all of Mengele's experiments were of dubious scientific value, ignoring the lack of ethics involved, including attempts to change eye color by injecting chemicals into children's eyes, various amputations and other brutal surgeries, and in at least one case attempting to create an artificial conjoined twin by sewing the veins in two twins together; this operation was not successful and only caused the hands of the children to become badly infected. Subjects of Mengele's experiments were almost always murdered afterward for dissection, if they survived the experiment itself.

    Josef Mengele left Auschwitz and went to Gross-Rosen concentration camp. In April 1945, he fled westward disguised as a member of the regular German infantry. He was captured as a POW and held near Nuremberg. He was released by the Allies, who had no idea that he was in their midst. After hiding as a farm laborer in Upper Bavaria, Mengele departed for Argentina in 1949, where many other fleeing Nazi officials had also sought refuge. Mengele divorced his wife Irene, and in 1958 married his brother Karl's widow, Martha. She and her son moved to Argentina to join Mengele for a time, although both returned to Europe only a few years later.

    His family at home backed him financially and he prospered in the 1950s, first operating a toy-workshop and later was an associate in a small pharmaceutical enterprise. After this short period, however, Mengele lived rather poorly. In 1959 he went to Paraguay, and from 1960 he lived in Brazil until his death in 1979, when he suffered a stroke while swimming in the ocean and drowned.

    Despite international efforts to track him down, he was never apprehended and lived for 35 years hiding under various aliases. Adolf Eichmann's capture and trial by Israel prompted Mengele's fears and frequent movements, and the Mossad tracked him for a time, but Israel's efforts were directed towards normalizing relations with Paraguay and fighting enemies closer to home. He was not tracked down by Nazi hunters until 1985, when his body was found and identified after a combined effort of American, West German and South American authorities. In 1992, DNA tests confirmed his identity.

    Mengele has also been used as a fictionalized literary and movie character, featured prominently in The Boys from Brazil and as part of an amalgam of Nazi doctors in Marathon Man. He was the subject matter of the song Angel of Death, the opening track on Slayer's 1986 album, Reign in Blood.

    Mengele is believed to have an illegitimate daughter born to an Australian woman of German lineage. After a liaison between the two when the woman, aged 23, and her mother and brother, visited the German Colony in Paraguay in mid-1960. The child was born in Melbourne, Australia. Most likely between March 1 - 15, 1961. She was adopted privately.

    Mengele also received an iron cross first class, and an iron cross second class, for bravery in combat.

    See also
    Nazi human experimentation
    Doctors' Trial
    External links
    A detailed profile in the Crime Library (http://www.crimelibrary.com/serial_killers/history/mengele/index_1.htm)
    A timeline of his life (http://history1900s.about.com/library/holocaust/blmengele.htm)
    Chicago Tribune Magazine: "How Nazi war criminal Josef Mengele cheated justice for 34 years" (http://www.posner.com/articles/mengele.htm) by Gerald Posner and John Ware
    Retrieved from "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Josef_Mengele"
    Categories: 1911 births | 1979 deaths | Holocaust | Nazi leaders | SS | Eugenicists

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    A Sydney woman has contacted the original source of this story. In an attempt to be put in contact with the mother of Mengele's daughter's, confidente, who is the one who leaked the story after a huge dispute, involving a large sum of money, the child's mother did this person out of. (...I can understand that!!! Ratting on the mother. I'd do the same if I were ripped off. But I don't have a secret like that one to do it with. Dammit!)

    She is said to match everything in the lengthy description the confidente gave and believes it to be against the odds that two people could fit such a detailed description. She says she was born in the second week of March (8-14),1961), which certainly qualifies her. And that she was adopted privately, which is not the norm.

    There was nothing said about what she thought of the prospect of having one of the most hated men in history as her father.

    But it was stated that if the confidente verifies this. She wants some sort of DNA test, if possible, to determine that Josef Mengele really is her father.

    And wants to be put in contact with Mengele's family, as she wants nothing to do with her birth mother, who rejected her when she traced and wrote to her in 1992.

    Will keep you posted. I love stories like this!
  4. This "Wummun" eventually grew up and moved to the UK where it married a policeman, thoroughly alienated him and was divorced. Subsequently, it started a website apparently to help ex-Service PTSD sufferers. Along the way, it decided, for some bizarre reason, that it didn't like AAC Berets anymore.

    [In an Aussie accent] "Can you guess what it is yet?"
    :lol: :lol: :twisted: :twisted:
  5. :evil:

    No. I can't guess and have no intention trying to. Everyone knows you can't predict what a nutcase is going to do or say next. Hell, even the fruitloop (that's you) doesn't know half the time until it writes or says whatever it does.

    I studied Psychology. But one's like you, a kindergarten kid would figure out within minutes!

    You sure know how to put the ARSE in ARRSE!

  6. Lol,

    Naughty but mildly amusing all the same.