'Don't ask, don't tell' gay soldier ban set for repeal

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BBC News - Don't ask, don't tell gay soldier ban set for repeal
The US Senate has taken a key step towards allowing gay people to serve openly in the military.

Senators decided by 63-33 to advance a bill overturning the "don't ask, don't tell" policy for a final vote, which is expected soon.

Repeal is now said to be certain as the House of Representatives has already backed it. President Barack Obama had promised to overturn the policy.

Opponents argue that the change will damage troop morale.

More than 13,000 service members have been dismissed under the 1993 law forbidding gay people in the military from acknowledging their sexual orientation.

Mr Obama has made repealing the policy a key part of his agenda since taking office in 2009.

Earlier this month, a Pentagon report said that allowing openly gay troops would have little impact on the cohesion of US forces fighting in Iraq and Afghanistan.
 

Alsacien

MIA
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I guess it can work if they introduce parallel regulations to stop the inevitable few from exploiting their rights and taking the pish. eg:
No kissing on stag.
No David Hasselhof posters in your pit space.
Porn collections must be clearly labelled.
etc.
 
#4
I guess it can work if they introduce parallel regulations to stop the inevitable few from exploiting their rights and taking the pish. eg:
No kissing on stag.
No David Hasselhof posters in your pit space.
Porn collections must be clearly labelled.
etc.
Something like the "Values and Standards of the British Army"? I would think that the US armed forces will manage to adapt their own equivalent as necessary.
 
#5
I remember when the ban was removed in the UK, back in 2000 or 2001. Nothing much seemed to happen, despite plenty of armchair spluttering. Suspect the same will hold true for the US. One in the eye for the Tea Party loons!
 
#6
The tea party does not have a stance on this as its outside of the limited remit of the movement. The Neo-Cons who have hijacked the Tea Party PR agenda are mouthing off. I know its pedantic but its important to attempt to correct the ultra right wing christian fundementalist image the Tea Party has been given in the UK by the 'liberal' media.
 
#7
I remember when the ban was removed in the UK, back in 2000 or 2001. Nothing much seemed to happen, despite plenty of armchair spluttering. Suspect the same will hold true for the US. One in the eye for the Tea Party loons!
No Western country that removed the ban had any problems. From the UK to Canada, Israel, France, my home country of Australia. Only small paperwork amount is required and a few meetings. The US Right has just overreacted with inflated arguments, as if massive effort is required for the US military to adjust somehow.
 
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It didn't matter a jot when the ban was lifted. After all, most of us knew people who lived the alternative lifestyle - eg the CO that had a live in best friend etc. What I thought was scandalous is the carryings on of the WRAC before it got disbanded - pity that was never properly investigated!
 
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I hear Katherine Miller (remember her) is reapplying for West Point now that the place meets her standards.

For those who don't remember her, she was a cadet at West Point who, after 2 years in training, resigned in protest at DADT earlier this year. Her resignation letter pointed out how sorry the Army would be when she was gone.

Since leaving, she's taken up a lesbians only scholarship at Yale where she is, I kid ye not, studying U.S. lesbian and gay history and sexual gender in society. Oh - and she found time to attend the MTV awards in her West Point uniform as a guest of Lady GaGa.

So, after depriving a more dedicated applicant of a place and dumping 2 years worth of a 4 year scholarship at West Point, she now wants to dump the scholarship she accepted at Yale during the summer, thus depriving a more dedicated lesbian of an education and return to West Point so that she can "help the military become a stronger institution". No doubt she'll be the president of the "out and proud" society on campus and will be taking legal action if she's not allowed to appear on talk shows and at gay pride events in her uniform.

I wish I was a fly on the wall when they receive her application.
 
#12
I hear Katherine Miller (remember her) is reapplying for West Point now that the place meets her standards.

For those who don't remember her, she was a cadet at West Point who, after 2 years in training, resigned in protest at DADT earlier this year. Her resignation letter pointed out how sorry the Army would be when she was gone.

Since leaving, she's taken up a lesbians only scholarship at Yale where she is, I kid ye not, studying U.S. lesbian and gay history and sexual gender in society. Oh - and she found time to attend the MTV awards in her West Point uniform as a guest of Lady GaGa.

So, after depriving a more dedicated applicant of a place and dumping 2 years worth of a 4 year scholarship at West Point, she now wants to dump the scholarship she accepted at Yale during the summer, thus depriving a more dedicated lesbian of an education and return to West Point so that she can "help the military become a stronger institution". No doubt she'll be the president of the "out and proud" society on campus and will be taking legal action if she's not allowed to appear on talk shows and at gay pride events in her uniform.

I wish I was a fly on the wall when they receive her application.
She withdrew from West Point and has a medal?
 

Andy_S

LE
Book Reviewer
#13
It's happened:
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/12/19/us/po ... ml?_r=2&hp

If the Pentagon is reading, let me be the first to suggest the following five-step plan:
(1) Immediate destruction of all USMC dress blues, to be replaced with dress baby-blues and pinks, and the Marine Corps Hymn to be replaced with "YMCA";
(2) US Army Kevlar body armour to be phased out and replaced with studded leather gladiator armour;
(3) "Magnum, PI," 'taches to be forthwith cultivated among all (male) ranks;
(4) Advertising of this new policy in Pushtun to raise the morale among our hairy Afghan allies, who are all on the other bus; and
(5) A Letter of Commendation to our very own JJ, who has been such a staunch supporter of this policy all along. Ideally, this letter should be hand delivered by Ricky Martin, arriving at JJ's digs in a bright pink tank while dressed in macho fashion as a Marine Raider.
 
#16
I think you will find that the US forces give out medals for passing various bits of basic training, perhaps "JJH" will be able to enlighten us!
Thanks, I am aware. My point was that she seems to have pulled out before completing training. However, it appears to be the National Defenc(s)e Service Medal which would mean anyone who 'served' during a particular period of time.
National Defense Service Medal - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Edited to add:
The National Defense Service Medal is authorized to students at the service academies after they are sworn into service,
 

Sarastro

LE
Kit Reviewer
Book Reviewer
#17
I guess it can work if they introduce parallel regulations to stop the inevitable few from exploiting their rights and taking the pish. eg:
No kissing on stag.
No David Hasselhof posters in your pit space.
Porn collections must be clearly labelled.
etc.
Honestly?

Is this even an argument people still use, in Britain of all places? Have you not noticed how completely the British Army has, er, not fallen apart over the past 10 years. Actually, we've even managed to have a scrap or two in the meantime.

Go stare at vaaannnmaaannn's avatar for a few minutes to calm down if it really concerns you that much. Or just get over it. Either will do.
 
#18
I remember when the ban was removed in the UK, back in 2000 or 2001. Nothing much seemed to happen, despite plenty of armchair spluttering. Suspect the same will hold true for the US. One in the eye for the Tea Party loons!
Thats because most gay blokes still are not open about it, as was discussed on the the gay thread in the US forum.
 
#19
My point was that she seems to have pulled out before completing training.
She certainly did. Resigned just before the end of her second year out of the 4 year course. By pure coincidence, had she stayed in for another week, she'd have been obliged to serve for another 7 years.

If, God forbid, they do let her back in, I wonder what she'll resign in protest about next time. No urinals in the women's toilets? No lesbian studies course at West Point?
 
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She certainly did. Resigned just before the end of her second year out of the 4 year course. By pure coincidence, had she stayed in for another week, she'd have been obliged to serve for another 7 years.

If, God forbid, they do let her back in, I wonder what she'll resign in protest about next time. No urinals in the women's toilets? No lesbian studies course at West Point?
No bedside carpet to snack on?
 

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