Does the RAF regiment have a future?

There is no logical reason why the Army couldn’t absorb the airfield security task. That doesn’t necessarily make it a good idea.

The Army - in the era of Carter's "time of Commando plenty" - tried to take one of the RM's specialist tasks off them. The lead SO1 (who I know), made an assessment it'd take at least three Battalions (vs. the RM's one), and that it would a) likely be chinned off to a County Regiment and they'd all hate it and b) they'd struggle with a lot of the training required. The idea was quietly shelved, and the RM Commando continues to complete the task.
 
Tbf, I once met a RN medic who had been stabbed with a leather man. Part of a failed attempt to see if the old (soft) body armour was stab proof!
I get the curiosity by why would one wear it while stabbing it?
It reminds me of that joke Bill Hicks made about people who jump off of buildings while on LSD deserving everything they got.
If you believe you can fly why not take off from the ground?
 
The Army - in the era of Carter's "time of Commando plenty" - tried to take one of the RM's specialist tasks off them. The lead SO1 (who I know), made an assessment it'd take at least three Battalions (vs. the RM's one), and that it would a) likely be chinned off to a County Regiment and they'd all hate it and b) they'd struggle with a lot of the training required. The idea was quietly shelved, and the RM Commando continues to complete the task.
I was simply illustrating that there is a precedent for the Army providing a significant element of the RAFs ability to deploy forward and survive to operate and that has been the case for 50 years. That doesn’t mean I think the Army should be looking to take on the Regiment’s role.

My question is whether the role exists today given the RAFs structure and equipment. And if it does exist, is the Regiment fit for purpose.
 

mad_collie

War Hero
Did the body armour thing really happen ?
A rock cook (the double shame ) shot his own body armour. Better then raping ,murdering and burying tourists in Cyprus ,but still not cricket.
Any details .
I assume some one got firmly gripped.
If the findings of the ARRSE Investigation Board are to be believed, there were more witnesses to the alleged event than there were on "that" balcony.

This urban legend is now the domain of the resident mongs on ARRSE, who use it to crayon over threads when they have fuck all to contribute.
 
If the findings of the ARRSE Investigation Board are to be believed, there were more witnesses to the alleged event than there were on "that" balcony.

This urban legend is now the domain of the resident mongs on ARRSE, who use it to crayon over threads when they have fuck all to contribute.
Oh Jesus. And cue another 20 pages of bleating.
 

Glad_its_all_over

ADC
Book Reviewer
Thinking about it, the ever-spiralling cost of the RAF's platforms does rather suggest that the days of deploying incredibly expensive airframes (exempt transports and rotary wing) to anywhere but UK sovereign territory and on board Her Majesty's Big Grey Parking Lots are probably over.

Those assets which do deploy will clearly need protection, but a working assumption might be that they'd look to both local resource and a small accompanying team to accomplish this. Whether that leaves a role for company-sized units with indirect fire and AT assets, or an aggressive patrolling doctrine.....
 
Thinking about it, the ever-spiralling cost of the RAF's platforms does rather suggest that the days of deploying incredibly expensive airframes (exempt transports and rotary wing) to anywhere but UK sovereign territory and on board Her Majesty's Big Grey Parking Lots are probably over.

Those assets which do deploy will clearly need protection, but a working assumption might be that they'd look to both local resource and a small accompanying team to accomplish this. Whether that leaves a role for company-sized units with indirect fire and AT assets, or an aggressive patrolling doctrine.....
Would you truly trust local resources for security ?
 

Stan_Deesey

Old-Salt
The Army - in the era of Carter's "time of Commando plenty" - tried to take one of the RM's specialist tasks off them. The lead SO1 (who I know), made an assessment it'd take at least three Battalions (vs. the RM's one), and that it would a) likely be chinned off to a County Regiment and they'd all hate it and b) they'd struggle with a lot of the training required. The idea was quietly shelved, and the RM Commando continues to complete the task.

What was the task? Was it 43CDO/FPG´s role?
 

TC20

Old-Salt
Would you truly trust local resources for security ?

It rather depends who the locals are, I wouldn't see an issue with US, Aussies or Canadians amongst others. Mind you things work both ways and I don't expect the USMC will be entirely happy to rely on UK force protection for their (shore based) aircraft again in a hurry.
 
I'm sure the grunts assigned to 3rd (Airfield Stag-on) Bn The Loamshires Regiment will be delighted with the gig.
Bollocks.

The Loamshires are a 1 Bn Regiment not 3.
 
Thinking about it, the ever-spiralling cost of the RAF's platforms does rather suggest that the days of deploying incredibly expensive airframes (exempt transports and rotary wing) to anywhere but UK sovereign territory and on board Her Majesty's Big Grey Parking Lots are probably over.

Those assets which do deploy will clearly need protection, but a working assumption might be that they'd look to both local resource and a small accompanying team to accomplish this. Whether that leaves a role for company-sized units with indirect fire and AT assets, or an aggressive patrolling doctrine.....

This is a really good summary of the doctrinal problem that faces CAS and therefore, the RAF Regt trying to demonstrate that all important 'value for money'.

The first piece - rotary, transport, etc - poses the question of who does that protection and the follow up question, how big does the owning formation need to be to generate said smaller units to protect rotary/transports.

The big question though - are the days of anywhere but UK sovereign territory actually over? Is it militarily sensible to say we never will have a Kandahar or Bastion scenario again? Glad says 'probably over', that probably is about as probable as para drop never being used offensively again but we manage to keep 3 bns of them.
 
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