Does the RAF regiment have a future?

You're being increasingly disingenuous. You erroneously talked about a single specialist squadron, you labelled 'the rest' as 'knuckle draggers'. But you can't be differentiating on the basis of that single GCSE because there is no requirement to gain extra GCSEs to move onto that any specialist RAFP formation.

Wulfric correctly demonstrated you are conflating mission and tasks so I won't go back to that. Suffice to say your analysis of them being 2 sides of the same coin working to the same CoC is weak. The CoC for FP is different to security and for policing is different to both.
That will be a two out of ten.

The GCSE issue fundamentally destroys your petulant argument and following the logic you are now suggesting the RAFP are knuckle draggers, I have no issue with your position

The rest of your post is simply nonsensical.
 
That will be a two out of ten.

The GCSE issue fundamentally destroys your petulant argument and following the logic you are now suggesting the RAFP are knuckle draggers, I have no issue with your position

The rest of your post is simply nonsensical.

The problem here is that you appear to be making absolutely no attempt to follow any logic and if you actually were, as opposed to just crayoning over stuff, you're very wide of the mark.
 

TC20

Old-Salt
The problem here is that you appear to be making absolutely no attempt to follow any logic and if you actually were, as opposed to just crayoning over stuff, you're very wide of the mark.

He has a point though. Any career for which the academic requirement is, have GCSE at Grade C/4-5 or SCE Standard Grade at Grade 2/Scottish National 5 in English Language, is not recruiting for intellect. Civ Plod seem to expect A Level, or equivalent, now.
 
He has a point though. Any career for which the academic requirement is, have GCSE at Grade C/4-5 or SCE Standard Grade at Grade 2/Scottish National 5 in English Language, is not recruiting for intellect. Civ Plod seem to expect A Level, or equivalent, now.

We're drifting off topic. The RAFP does not recruit rocket scientists, agreed, but what 21st said was this:

" The RAF Police have a single specialist Squadron that does all the so called sexy stuff, Cyber, Investigations and Int. The rest are just knuckle draggers."

His first error is that there is not a single specialist sqn. His second is that he is explicit that everyone not doing what he defines as 'so called sexy stuff' 'are just knuckle draggers'.

I've pointed out that 6 of the 7 regular non-specialist sqns have people doing cyber (security), investigations and int.

I'm also pointing out that the specialist sqns have exactly the same GCSE requirements as the non-specialist so it's an irrelevance as a metric of working out whether someone is a knuckle dragger or not.

I'm not sure Civ Plod entry requirements are worth a comparison either. There are significant parts of their hierarchy in favour of a degree as an entry requirement, which even greater swathes of rank and file non-degree holding bobbies seem to think is bonkers.
 
We're drifting off topic. The RAFP does not recruit rocket scientists, agreed, but what 21st said was this:

" The RAF Police have a single specialist Squadron that does all the so called sexy stuff, Cyber, Investigations and Int. The rest are just knuckle draggers."

His first error is that there is not a single specialist sqn. His second is that he is explicit that everyone not doing what he defines as 'so called sexy stuff' 'are just knuckle draggers'.

I've pointed out that 6 of the 7 regular non-specialist sqns have people doing cyber (security), investigations and int.

I'm also pointing out that the specialist sqns have exactly the same GCSE requirements as the non-specialist so it's an irrelevance as a metric of working out whether someone is a knuckle dragger or not.

I'm not sure Civ Plod entry requirements are worth a comparison either. There are significant parts of their hierarchy in favour of a degree as an entry requirement, which even greater swathes of rank and file non-degree holding bobbies seem to think is bonkers.

Could you give us a run down of the RAFP then.
 

TC20

Old-Salt
I'm not sure Civ Plod entry requirements are worth a comparison either. There are significant parts of their hierarchy in favour of a degree as an entry requirement, which even greater swathes of rank and file non-degree holding bobbies seem to think is bonkers.

Like it or not it is a somewhat higher sift for intellectual capacity than a C in English Language GCSE.
 
Could you give us a run down of the RAFP then.
Yes.

Specialist Police Wing, consisting of 2 Sqns - RAF SIB and CI and Sy Sqn. Also holds separately the Forensics Flight split into digital and traditional, and the FP Int Centre which is basically fused J2 for the FP Force.

4 (Typhoon) Sqn, 5 (ISTAR) Sqn and 6 (Lightning) Sqn. These are capability focussed sqns, headquartered at the main operating base of the capability to which they are aligned. These deliver sy, policing, dogs to those capabilities and all have their own int analysts at Sqn level.

7 Sqn - based at Brize and do what 4-6 sqn does, for the air mobility force, also have some people that go down route with the air mobility force.

A sqn that looks after the 22 Gp RAF stations, analogous to 4-6 sqn. An planned sqn to do the same for whatever Space Command looks like.

Last but no means least 1 Tactical Police Sqn, who are the deployable people at readiness, who were sent to Op PITTING to do NEO stuff.

I have kept it all to what is open source, the latest plan for the RAFP is here:

 
Like it or not it is a somewhat higher sift for intellectual capacity than a C in English Language GCSE.
Ahhh... agreed. That is likely civ plod's intent.

The question of whether or not bits of paper substantively prove intellectual capacity, especially after the lockdown exams or lack thereof, is for somewhere different...
 
Ahhh... agreed. That is likely civ plod's intent.

The question of whether or not bits of paper substantively prove intellectual capacity, especially after the lockdown exams or lack thereof, is for somewhere different...
Basic english then is not a pre-requisite?
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I got told to put my beret on by an RAF police chap once.

And they found a round of 5.56 in the bottom of the bergen of one of my blokes - it was as if they had just captured Pablo Escobar.

I think they were more annoyed though by the fact that none of us really gave a shit or took them seriously.
 
I got told to put my beret on by an RAF police chap once.

And they found a round of 5.56 in the bottom of the bergen of one of my blokes - it was as if they had just captured Pablo Escobar.

I think they were more annoyed though by the fact that none of us really gave a shit or took them seriously.
Cpl straight out of training, like RAF PTIs
 

dan_brown

War Hero
RAFP aren't doing too bad in staying relevant and future proofing themselves. Vladimir_Ilyich_Crab posted the new operating model, part of this:
  • Role: Accreditation, RMADS, Cyber Audits, Data Protection, Cyber Incident Response/Management, providing Cyber Security advice, NIST/NCSC compliant.

  • Quals: CISM, CompTIA, SANS, ISO27001 LA - nice big hitters for civvy st :)
That's just a small area RAFP cover these days. Then you have Counter Intelligence, Intelligence Centre leads, own Int Ans, going down (;)) to SIB, MWD etc.

Law Enforcement is a small part of the main focus; the days of Barrier up, Barrier down are long gone.
 
I got told to put my beret on by an RAF police chap once.

And they found a round of 5.56 in the bottom of the bergen of one of my blokes - it was as if they had just captured Pablo Escobar.

I think they were more annoyed though by the fact that none of us really gave a shit or took them seriously.
There was a real cock of a full screw RAF plod in the Falklands. Had a go at one of our full screws, admittedly another chopper, for having his hands in his pockets outside the bottom cookhouse. Our bloke then basically tells RAF chap to go and f*** himself. Snowdrop stutters and walks away.
 

dan_brown

War Hero
There was a real cock of a full screw RAF plod in the Falklands. Had a go at one of our full screws, admittedly another chopper, for having his hands in his pockets outside the bottom cookhouse. Our bloke then basically tells RAF chap to go and f*** himself. Snowdrop stutters and walks away.
 

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RAFP aren't doing too bad in staying relevant and future proofing themselves. Vladimir_Ilyich_Crab posted the new operating model, part of this:
  • Role: Accreditation, RMADS, Cyber Audits, Data Protection, Cyber Incident Response/Management, providing Cyber Security advice, NIST/NCSC compliant.

  • Quals: CISM, CompTIA, SANS, ISO27001 LA - nice big hitters for civvy st :)
That's just a small area RAFP cover these days. Then you have Counter Intelligence, Intelligence Centre leads, own Int Ans, going down (;)) to SIB, MWD etc.

Law Enforcement is a small part of the main focus; the days of Barrier up, Barrier down are long gone.
In the immortal words of DI Gene Hunt, ‘doesn’t sound very manly’.
 

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