Does the NSC even exist any more?

#1
Slightly sarcastic title, I know...

I have been trying for weeks to contact the NRA/NSC about us "foreigners" and the competency certificates, i.e. how one acquires one if one is not resident in the UK.

I sent an e-mail to Phyllis Farnan, since she appeared to be the most relevant person to ask, and I didn't want to spam everybody there.

No response.

I have tried to call multiple times, not just her but also the general enquiries desk.

Nobody picks up.

Have they been on holiday for weeks?

Can anyone enlighten me?
 
#2
They're closed on a Monday.
Range Office usually answer. The Regional Manager on x156 is pretty reliable too although you might have to leave an answer message.
 
#3
Try Martin Farnan as he is Director of Shooting and Phyliss does training (I think). If you are a member of a UK club, I don't see why you shouldn't be able to get your club chairman to sign you off, even if you are overseas, provided he can be made aware of your competency by someone suitable? In our club any NRA RCO can act as the competent person, they complete a review form and if the shooter passes the chairman signs them off.
 
#4
No, I'm not a member of a UK club for this purpose.

I know they always were, but they really have become a complete and utter shaaaar [/terry thomas].
 

ugly

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#5
Overseas visitors/competitors are supposed to carry a "Own nation cert of competence!"
 
#6
ugly said:
Overseas visitors/competitors are supposed to carry a "Own nation cert of competence!"
Err, which is what exactly? Membership card from the NRA-equivalent (KNSA - membership compulsory of course) is the only documentation we have!
 
#7
stoatman said:
ugly said:
Overseas visitors/competitors are supposed to carry a "Own nation cert of competence!"
Err, which is what exactly? Membership card from the NRA-equivalent (KNSA - membership compulsory of course) is the only documentation we have!
First of all, let's get something straight. The NRA is not there provide Shooter Certification for the members of other clubs/organisations. Shooter's clubs are supposed to do that. If your club is unable to do that then you certainly have a problem but it isn't the NRA's.

If you are an 'Overseas Competitor' and wish to shoot on MoD ranges, have a read of this page. www.nra.org.uk/common/asp/certification/certification.asp?site=NRA
 
#9
Thank you ... the authentic voice of Bisley!
 
#10
Beerhunter said:
If you are an 'Overseas Competitor' and wish to shoot on MoD ranges, have a read of this page. www.nra.org.uk/common/asp/certification/certification.asp?site=NRA
... which contains NO relevant information for overseas competitors. The only remotely relevant thing is an overseas application PDF document which contains, amongst other things, a request for the club's NRA affiliation number, and a pass-fail tick box for various, unexplained categories. So, typically well-thought out then...

Ever tried getting someone to sign you off on a foreign form in a foreign language for anything?
 
#12
Quite... "information for overseas competitors" contains no information for overseas competitors, and the overseas competitors are told that THEY have a problem and it's more than the NRA's job's worth to assist them in any way to resolve it.

Methinks a strongly-worded letter is brewing. I shall save unnecessary bother and just address it direct to:

Martin Farnan's Secretary's Bin,
NSC,
Bisley Camp,
Brookwood.



If they were a professional organisation who cared for anything further away than their collective nose, they'd provide proper information for overseas competitors, contact persons (if necessary) in all the contries for which this has become an issue, and so on. Hardly rocket science, is it?
 
#13
Ooh, there's more, but it's buried at the bottom of the letter to clubs (so not easy to find then...):

3. Foreign Shooters. All foreign shooters wishing to shoot on MoD ranges will be required to produce evidence that they have been certified as safe and competent by the relevant National Governing Body for shooting in their home country and sponsored by the NRA or a club affiliated to the NRA.

...of course with no info as to how to produce this evidence! AARGH!
 
#14
My point was, and still is, why do people who are not members of the NRA, believe that it is the NRA's job to do any of this?

I'll say it again, it is an MoD requirement NOT the NRA's. The NRA has no responsibility other than to it's members and affiliated clubs.

I really am not trying to start (or carry even) an argument here but, as a member, I pay subs to the NRA. Why should I subsidise non-members by the provision of services to them that they do not pay towards?
 
#15
And that, again, is exactly the problem with the NRA. The MoD set the requirement, true, but the NRA administers it. It therefore has a duty to, for instance, overseas competitors who wish to come and compete in NRA competitions at great expense (work out what the Imperial meeting costs, for instance).

It is not the fault of overseas clubs that they can't comply with the usual system, since they are - get this - located abroad and regulated differently.

All I expect is a single, easy to find publication explaining EXACTLY what is required of overseas competitors, what has to be sent to whom, and so on. It would take one person half an afternoon to produce and upload. The lack of this is clearly costing the NRA revenue in terms of overseas competitors no longer coming, so the argument that you would be subsidising this is spurious.
 
#16
As i undertsand it the NRA are the only organisation who can supply the blank safe shooter certs, supplied to the club @ £5.00 a piece. The club certifies its members as and when classed as competent for their type of firearm. the clubs that want to use MOD ranges or Bisley must affiliate ( its not cheap) to the NRA.
If you want to shoot on MOD / BISLEY ranges then you must be authorised or someone who is authorised for the type of firearm you want to use MUST supervise on a one to one basis.
The implimentation of the safe shooter system was on the insistance of the MOD........... BUT only the NRA controls it
looking toward 2012 particpants will need certifing (no pun) I would expect shooting organisations worldwide will need to comply. OR again will only UK shooters need to have a certifcate.
 
#17
Sorry i forgot to say prior the changes my club had no dealings with the NRA we were affiliated to the NSRA Half the cost of NRA and all the same cover i expect the same applies to many other clubs.
 
#18
Anyone know what the NSC opening times are over this holiday weekend?

No-one is answering the range office phone, and the NSC website is a year out of date......
 
#19
plugbore295 said:
As i undertsand it the NRA are the only organisation who can supply the blank safe shooter certs, supplied to the club @ £5.00 a piece. The club certifies its members as and when classed as competent for their type of firearm. the clubs that want to use MOD ranges or Bisley must affiliate ( its not cheap) to the NRA.
If you want to shoot on MOD / BISLEY ranges then you must be authorised or someone who is authorised for the type of firearm you want to use MUST supervise on a one to one basis.
The implimentation of the safe shooter system was on the insistance of the MOD........... BUT only the NRA controls it.
looking toward 2012 particpants will need certifing (no pun) I would expect shooting organisations worldwide will need to comply. OR again will only UK shooters need to have a certifcate.
It won't be shot on MoD ranges so no requirement for it. The NRA/NSRA have comprehensively failed to get the Olympics at Bisley.
 
#20
4(T) said:
Anyone know what the NSC opening times are over this holiday weekend?

No-one is answering the range office phone, and the NSC website is a year out of date......
plus ça change, plus c'est le même chose...
 

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