Does Britain have a Conservative Party?

Does Britain have a Conservative Party?

  • No,Britain does not have a Conservative option to vote for

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  • Yes,the Conservative Party are a viable option to vote for

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#1
Seeing a report on the BBC(hardly unbiased,but all that is available here) that if elected,David Cameron will not cut NHS spending and is planning to maintain foreign aid at it's current level,or even raise it begs the question"do we really have a Conservative party any more"?.

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#2
They're not exactly the only two policies of a Tory government, presumably in your opinion a real Conservative goverment would bayonet the sick in their beds and close our borders?
 

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#3
Cameron is no Thatcher. He's not even a Major, who at least had some concept of conservatism. He's a political lightweight with the same lack of principals and willingness to say and do anything that will get him elected as Blair has. Had the positions been reversed and there been a tory govt in power when he went into politics I suspect he would be a Labour MP now, waiting for the electorate to vote him in by voting out the incumbents. Tragically I will still vote for him, if just to get the current lot of corrupt inefficient boobies out, knowing full well that we'll get another lot of corrupt inefficient boobies.
 
#4
CQMS said:
They're not exactly the only two policies of a Tory government, presumably in your opinion a real Conservative goverment would bayonet the sick in their beds and close our borders?
Absolutly not.

The borders,now you mention it do need to be controlled better than they are now.

There is ample scope for NHS cuts when they are paying a fortune for temps and artwork to decorate hospitals.

We do seem to be heading for a weak Conservative government,assuming CMD does get elected.
 
#5
Le_addeur_noir said:
"do we really have a Conservative party any more"?.

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Your poll options are not mutually exclusive - no, the Cameroonies are no real "Conservative" party but, yes, they are a viable option to vote for (as is, depending on where you live, almost any party on the grounds of "anybody but nu-Labour"!)
 
#6
Yes but they aren't very reactionary, very scintillating or indeed very easy to empathise with...
 
#7
Whether you like it or not, the "Green Tories" are a similar fop as "New Labour". They are the party in name only. They have no ideological spine and will tell you whatever you want to get elected.

However, where as New Labour was run by student politicians and trade unionists who made a mess by trying to do everything for everyone, that is nothing compared to the Green Tories. Who will come in and very calmly, cleverly and clearly sell absolutely everything and everybody down the river.*

Believe me, should they win outright, I will be taking that overseas job.

*Exculding, naturally, the super-rich.
 
#8
What the hell do you want Cameron to walk into an election saying? SLASH THE NHS? Thankfully he's not prepared to give Labour another term so easily.

Hate straying morons like this "ooh i won't vote Tory any more 'cos Cameron's balls are too tiny...". It's called STRATEGY. Now go away. Troll.
 
#9
Britain has a Conservative Party with a fairly large following. Britain also however has a large group of voters who can't accept that the Conservative Party they used to vote for is in 2010 to broader politics what the Black and White Minstral Show is to Saturday evening TV. The problem is that they can't grasp the fact that it was only after they lost control of the party that it became electable, and instead chose to live in a fantasy world where the unpopularity of their world view is not their fault, but everyone else - see the threads on arrse about communist conspiracies / the liberal media / 'immigrants' / the 'client state' / political correctness / hippie teachers etc. for further details.
 
#10
Bazzinho1977 said:
However, where as New Labour was run by student politicians and trade unionists who made a mess by trying to do everything for everyone, that is nothing compared to the Green Tories. Who will come in and very calmly, cleverly and clearly sell absolutely everything and everybody down the river.*

Believe me, should they win outright, I will be taking that overseas job.

*Exculding, naturally, the super-rich.
See You! Don't forget to turn out the lights when you go!

In all seriousness, if any of there were any 'student' politicians in any of the New Labour administrations none of them read economics did they? If they had they would have known that Keynesianism means saving money when times are good, not spending it.
By the way, which 'super-rich' should be exculded (sic)? Tony Blair? Bernie Ecclestone? Lord Levy? Lakshmi Mittal? Alan Sugar? David Sainsbury? Paul Drayson?
All pretty straight kinda guys eh?
 
#11
As soon as labour conservatives and lib-dems got together saying "vote for anybody as long as it's not the BNP", I realised that the three major parties exist to stay in power and grab as much as they can,they are interchangable take a look at the number who change sides.

All politicians are greedy lying scum.
 
#12
To win the election the Tories need to achieve a 11% swing across the UK. That would be the biggest shift in voting since universal suffrage was introduced. If winning with a workable majority means reassuring the majority of the British public who rely on the NHS that it will be protected then so be it.

You might want them to promise to cut benefits, cut spending on the NHS etc. but that won't win them an election. It'll leave them marginalised and in the wilderness. Again. And let Labour in. Again.

And that would be ******* insanity.
 
#13
Bazzinho1977 said:
Whether you like it or not, the "Green Tories" are a similar fop as "New Labour". They are the party in name only. They have no ideological spine and will tell you whatever you want to get elected.

However, where as New Labour was run by student politicians and trade unionists who made a mess by trying to do everything for everyone, that is nothing compared to the Green Tories. Who will come in and very calmly, cleverly and clearly sell absolutely everything and everybody down the river.*

Believe me, should they win outright, I will be taking that overseas job.

*Exculding, naturally, the super-rich.

Oh well, every cloud has a silver lining. Bye Bye.
 
#14
Yes, we have two. The trick is getting either of them to say what they intend to do and then do what they said they intended.

What we don't have is a viable alternative to the policies that have failed whichever brand of tory tried to implement them.
 
#15
There's an assumption amongst the voting public that things like reliable electricity, the availability of petrol, the economy and defence from invaders are somehow god-given. When most people vote, they vote on fickle issues which affect them directly.

That's why defence gets sidelined. That's why the celebrity-endorsed 'green' agenda gets so much funding. It's why 'benefits' and 'the arts' are election issues.

The trouble is, if anyone were to say the things we'd like to hear, it's unlikely they'd be elected.
 
#16
"Does Britain have a Conservative Party?"
Don't know but it definitely needs a leader.
Was in Mid East when Blair appeared, considered him a snake oil salesman from first view. History proved me right and daily still does.
Never heard of Cameroon until day he became Leader.
Took a year or two before I found out he was Lord Ashcroft's man, bought and paid for.
Always considered him to be wrong type of Tory to Lead in this day and age.
The state of Labour/Brown now means Tory's should have a walk over, still believe Dave can and will lose it for us.
john
 
#17
I don't recognise conservative values in the current so-called Conservative Party. I see a party that will say and do anything to be elected - much like the Labour Party in 1997, which abandoned long-standing socialist values.

Maybe that is all that we, as a country, deserve; self-serving politicians who will say and do anything to be elected.

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#18
jonwilly said:
"Does Britain have a Conservative Party?"
Don't know but it definitely needs a leader.
Was in Mid East when Blair appeared, considered him a snake oil salesman from first view. History proved me right and daily still does.
Never heard of Cameroon until day he became Leader.Took a year or two before I found out he was Lord Ashcroft's man, bought and paid for.
Always considered him to be wrong type of Tory to Lead in this day and age.
The state of Labour/Brown now means Tory's should have a walk over, still believe Dave can and will lose it for us.
john
As my constituency MP he has been outstanding and for the first 4 years he was an MP he was just that, he covered the ground and did his bit for all of us in West Oxfordshire. I do rate him, he is contary to opinion not a bought and paid for person unlike others, and Ashcroft has other areas of interest to invest in. As to Witney we have only in the recent past been a Labour patch when Sean Woodward crossed the floor. Camerons majority almost doubled at the last election so he did something right for us, the tester is can he do it for the rest of The Country.
 
#19
radioactiveman said:
Bazzinho1977 said:
However, where as New Labour was run by student politicians and trade unionists who made a mess by trying to do everything for everyone, that is nothing compared to the Green Tories. Who will come in and very calmly, cleverly and clearly sell absolutely everything and everybody down the river.*

Believe me, should they win outright, I will be taking that overseas job.

*Exculding, naturally, the super-rich.
See You! Don't forget to turn out the lights when you go!

In all seriousness, if any of there were any 'student' politicians in any of the New Labour administrations none of them read economics did they? If they had they would have known that Keynesianism means saving money when times are good, not spending it.
By the way, which 'super-rich' should be exculded (sic)? Tony Blair? Bernie Ecclestone? Lord Levy? Lakshmi Mittal? Alan Sugar? David Sainsbury? Paul Drayson?
All pretty straight kinda guys eh?
Neither, it appears, did you. Pray tell, what part of privatising the railways, privatising the International Development fund, PFI and selling off the tax offices overseas is Keynesian? Do you even know what the term means?

To suggest that they have followed Keynesian Demand Management really does show a complete lack of knowledge. In fact Keynesianism tells us that too much saving of money is bad for the economy, because of the multiplier effect.

Really, you should keep quiet while the grown ups are talking if you are going to make a cock of yourself.
 
#20
Why aren't you packing? Too busy reading wikipedia I presume. Would you care to point out where the Government has done any saving for leaner times, never mind excessive saving? Thought not.
I notice you aren't defending any of your super-rich either Comrade.
Never mind best to just settle for ad hominem attacks.
 

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