Dodgy Dossier must go public: Info Commissioners New Ruling

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  1. Stonker

    Stonker On ROPs

    Do I hear the first early sign of pigeons coming home to roost?

  2. Excuse my ignorance in this but does the Information Commissioner have the authority to order these documents released by the Government or will they just bring in some new legislation sharpish in order to ensure the information stays 'classified'?

    (If so, just check laptops left on trains by various civil servants, one of them will undoubtably have the info on it! :D )
  3. Biped

    Biped LE Book Reviewer

    I do hope this gets out - it will exhonerate David Kelly (posthumously, the b@stards!), make the whole Bliar fiasco the lie it always was, hopefully some charges can be brought against UK politicians for an illegal war and for malfeasance in public office, and most importantly, it will drive another nail in the coffin of ZANU NL.
  4. I thought it wasn't Sexed up.... Lord "whitewash" Hutton said so didn't he?
  5. More importantly it may dispense with the pack of lies (sorry the inquiry) about David Kelly's death.
    Nobody believes he topped himself, I would certainly like to know who was responsible and see justice done.
  6. Won't anything that is released be subject to heavy censorship,to protect the guilty?
  7. Depends on wether Gordon has managed to get rid of the Treason Act as planned before anything incriminating comes out.
    But in short yes, you can be sure they will cover their own backsides and Dr Kelly will still have topped himself, with no outside interference at all.
  8. Fcuk the dossier. It's for cnuts anyway.

    Eyeball this instead:

    Prehistoric and Classical period
    Roman conquest of Britain
    Boudica's uprising
    Battle of Watling Street

    Mediæval period
    Battle of Aylesford (455) Anglo-Saxons, Romano-Britons
    Battle of Ellandun
    Viking invasions (793–1066)
    Raid on Lindisfarne (793)
    Campaign of Alfred the Great (871–899)
    Battle of Edington (878)
    Battle of Cannington (878)
    Battle of Ashingdon (1016)
    Battle of Fulford (1066)
    Battle of Stamford Bridge (1066)
    Norman Conquest of England (1066)
    The Battle of Hastings 1066
    Rebellion of 1088 - civil war
    The Anarchy (1135–1154) - civil war
    Battle of Renfrew (1164)
    Revolt of 1173-1174 - civil war
    Third Crusade (1189-1192)
    Richard I's war in France
    Welsh uprising of 1211
    Battle of Bouvines (1214) - loss of Normandy
    First Barons' War (1215–1217) - civil war
    Henry III's war in France
    Battle of Largs
    Second Barons' War (1264–1267) - civil war
    Welsh Uprising (1282) - civil war
    Edward I's war in France
    The First War of Scottish Independence (1296–1328)
    Battle of Bannockburn (1314)
    Edward II's war in France
    The Second War of Scottish Independence (1332–1357)
    Hundred Years' War (1337 to 1453) against France
    War of Edward III (1337 to 1360) - victory
    War of Charles the Wise (1369 to 1396) - defeat
    War of Henry V (1415 to 1422) - victory
    War of Charles the Victorious (1428 to 1453) - defeat
    Wars of the Roses (1455–1485) - Richard III was the last English king to die in combat - civil war

    Early Modern period
    Italian Wars (1494 – 1559)
    War of the League of Cambrai (1511-1513)
    Italian War of 1521 (1521-1525)
    Italian War of 1542 (1542-1546)
    Italian War of 1551 (1557-1559)
    Cornish Rebellion (1497)
    Revolt of Silken Thomas (1534)
    Anglo-Scottish Wars (1513; 1544-1551)
    Third Cornish Uprising (1549)
    Loss of Calais (1558) - then England's last continental possession
    Desmond Wars (1569-1583)
    Anglo-Spanish War (1585-1604)
    Nine Years War (1594–1603)
    Eighty Years' War (1568–1648)
    First Anglo-Powhatan War (1609–1613) - North America
    Second Anglo-Powhatan War (1622) - North America
    Anglo-Spanish War (1625-1630) (As a small part of the Thirty Years' War)
    Anglo-French War (1626-1629)
    Wars of the Three Kingdoms (1639–1651) - civil war
    First Bishops' War (1639)
    Second Bishops' War (1640)
    Irish Rebellion (1641)
    The Confederate’s War (1642-1648)
    English Civil War (1642–1651)
    First English Civil War (1642–1646)
    civil war in Scotland (1644–1647)
    Second English Civil War (1648)
    Cromwellian conquest of Ireland (1649-1653)
    Third English Civil War (1650–1651)
    Third Anglo-Powhatan War (1644) - North America
    First Anglo-Dutch War (1652–1654)
    Anglo-Spanish War (1654–1660)
    Second Anglo-Dutch War (1665–1667)
    War of Devolution (1667–1668)
    Third Anglo-Dutch War (1672–1674)
    King Philip's War (1675–1676) - North America
    Virginia Rebellion (1676)
    Monmouth Rebellion (1685) - civil war
    Nine Years War (1688–1697) - England, Spain, Germany, Portugal and Holland v France
    King William's War (1688–1697) - North America
    Jacobite Rebellions (1689-91; 1715-16; 1719; 1745-46) - Civil War
    Williamite war in Ireland (1688–1691)
    Battle of the Boyne (1690) - last battle between two rival claimants for the throne
    Clifton Moor Skirmish, near Penrith (1745) - last battle on English soil
    Battle of Culloden (1746) - last battle in Great Britain
    War of the Spanish Succession (1702–1713) - England and Scotland/Great Britain, Germany, Portugal and Holland v France and Spain
    Queen Anne's War (1702–1713)
    War of the Quadruple Alliance (1718–1720) - Great Britain, France, Austria and Holland v Italy and Spain
    War of Jenkins' Ear (1739–1742) - Great Britain v Spain
    War of the Austrian Succession (1742–1748) - Great Britain, Austria and Holland v France and Germany
    King George's War (1744–1748)
    Seven Years' War (1756–1763) - the first "world war"
    French and Indian War (1754–1763) - Great Britain and Germany v Austria, France, Russia, Sweden, Spain and Portugal
    Anglo-Cherokee War (1759–1763) - North America
    Pontiac's Rebellion (1763–1766) - North America
    First Anglo-Mysore War (1766–1769) - India
    American War of Independence (1775–1783) - North America, civil war
    First Anglo-Maratha War (1775–1782) - India
    Fourth Anglo-Dutch War (1780–1784)
    Second Anglo-Mysore War (1780–1784) - India
    Third Anglo-Mysore War (1789–1792) - India

    19th Century
    French Revolutionary Wars (1793–1802) - Great Britain, Austria, Spain, Russia, Germany v France
    War of the First Coalition (1793–1797)
    War of the Second Coalition (1798–1801)
    Fourth Anglo-Mysore War (1798–1799) - India
    Irish Rebellion (1798)
    Napoleonic Wars (1803–1815) - United Kingdom, Prussia, Austria, Sweden, Spain and Russia v France
    British invasions of the Río de la Plata (1806–1807)
    Anglo-Turkish War (1807–1809)
    Anglo-Russian War (1807–1812)
    Gunboat War (1807–1814)
    Peninsular War (1808–1814)
    Hundred Days (1815)
    First Kandian War (1803–1804) - India
    Second Anglo-Maratha War (1803–1805) - India
    Vellore Mutiny (1806) - India
    Anglo-Dutch Java War (1810–1811)
    War of 1812 (1812–1815)
    Anglo-Nepalese War (1814–1816)
    Second Kandian War (1815) - Sri Lanka
    Third Anglo-Maratha War (1817–1818) - India
    First Anglo-Burmese War (1823–1826)
    Upper Canada Rebellion (1837)
    Lower Canada Rebellion (1837)
    First Anglo-Afghan War (1839–1842)
    Battle of Ghazni
    First Opium War (1839–1842) - United Kingdom v China
    First Anglo-Sikh War (1845–1846) - India
    New Zealand Wars (1845–1872)
    Second Anglo-Sikh War (1848–1849) - India
    Second Anglo-Burmese War (1852)
    Crimean War (1854–1856) - United Kingdom, France, Turkey, and Piedmont-Sardinia v Russia
    Second Opium War (1856–1860) - United Kingdom and France v China
    Anglo-Persian War (1856–1857) - United Kingdom and Persia
    Indian Rebellion (1857)
    Pig War (1859) - United Kingdom v USA
    Anglo-Bhutanese War (1865)
    Second Anglo-Afghan War (1878-1880)
    Anglo-Zulu War (1879)
    First Boer War (1880–1881)
    Gun War (1880–1881)
    Mahdist War (1881–1899)
    Third Anglo-Burmese War (1885–1887)
    Anglo-Zanzibar War (1896)
    Second Boer War (1899–1902)

    20th Century
    Boxer Rebellion (1900) - United Kingdom, Austria-Hungary, France, Germany, Italy, Japan, Russia, USA, and China
    Anglo-Aro war (1901-1902) - Nigeria
    World War I (1914–1918) - United Kingdom, France, Belgium, Serbia, Italy, Russia, United States, Germany, Austria-Hungary, Bulgaria and Turkey
    Easter Rising (1916) - Ireland
    Russian Civil War (1918–1922)
    Third Anglo-Afghan War (1919)
    Anglo-Irish War (1919–1921)
    World War II (1939–1945)
    The Pacific War (1937–1945) United Kingdom, USA and China v Japan
    Anglo-Iraqi War (1941)
    Greek Civil War (1941–1949)
    Malayan Emergency (1948–1960)
    Korean War (1950–1953)
    Mau Mau Uprising (1952–1960)
    Cyprus Emergency (1955–1959)
    Suez Crisis (1956)
    Brunei Revolt (1962)
    Indonesia-Malaysia confrontation (1962–1966)
    Aden Emergency (1963–1967)
    Northern Ireland Troubles (1969-1998)
    Cod War Confrontation (1975–1976)
    Falklands War (1982)
    The First Gulf War (1990–1991)
    The Bosnian War (1995–1996)
    The Kosovo War (1999)
    Sierra Leone Civil War (2000)

    21st century
    The Global War on Terror (2001)
    The Afghanistan War (2001–Present)
    Iraq War and Iraqi insurgency (2003–Present) - Dossier Required

    List of Civil Wars
    Rebellion of 1088 - in England and Normandy
    The Anarchy (1135–1154) - in England
    Revolt of 1173-1174 - in England, Normandy, and Anjou
    First Barons' War (1215–1217) - in England
    Second Barons' War (1264–1267) - in England
    Welsh Uprising (1282) - in England and Wales
    Wars of the Roses (1455–1485) - in England and Wales; Richard III was the last English king to die in combat
    Wars of the Three Kingdoms (1639–1651) - in England, Wales, Scotland and Ireland
    First Bishops' War (1639)
    Second Bishops' War (1640)
    Irish Rebellion (1641)
    First English Civil War (1642–1646)
    The Confederate’s War (1642-1648)
    Scotland in the Wars of the Three Kingdoms (1644–1647)
    Second English Civil War (1648)
    Third English Civil War (1650–1651)
    Cromwellian conquest of Ireland (1649)
    Monmouth Rebellion (1685) - in England
    Jacobite Rebellions (1689-91; 1715-16; 1719; 1745-46) - in England, Scotland and Ireland
    Williamite war in Ireland (1688–1691)
    Battle of the Boyne (1690) - last battle between two rival claimants for the throne
    Clifton Moor, near Penrith (1745) - last land battle on English soil
    Battle of Culloden (1746) - last land battle in Great Britain
    American Revolutionary War (1775–1783) - Effectively Civil War with Loyalists fighting Revolutionaries

    Dossier?? A trick of cnuts.
  9. Stonker

    Stonker On ROPs


    I understand your argument to be along the lines "Precedent: we started the Anglo-Zulu War of 1879 without just cause - so that's OK then - we can go on doing the same thing whenever we like". :roll:
  10. So you're read already it then? :roll:
  11. Or "UN vote and Parliamentary/popular approval uniquely 'required' in one of a 100 wars - so who gives a stuff in future? Just get stuck in"

    "The Falklands War" should read "The Falklands Conflict".

    "The Cod War Confrontation"???
  12. Stonker

    Stonker On ROPs

    The significant difference being that this dossier apears to have been put together with scant regard for clear evidence, in the certain knowledge that - were that simple unvarnished evidence honestly set before Parliament and people - they would not support the action Cabinet were recommending.

    Robin Cook saw it for what it was - and did the right thing.

    It is one thing to engage in an action to reclaim territories lost to a fascist (Argentina was exactly that, at the time) invader, even though UK gunmint misjudgment encouraged the invasion. It is another altogether to embark one's own forces on an invasion (followed by an incompetently planned, and under-resourced occupation), on the back of deliberate lies.

    B'liar wanted to be remembered for "Education, education, education".

    Instead he'll be forever branded with 3 quite different words: Deceitful, Incompetent and niggardly.
  13. Works for me :D

    Bloody Zulus!!
  14. But you get upset when the Russians apply the same logic. Is it a case of having one rule for us and a different one for them?
  15. But what if the memos don't show what you want to see?