Do you go to colchester for failing a CDT?

#4
With the current state of manning, I would probably guess a discharge inbound!

It used to be very dependent on time of career (recruits have one chance after a positive result), what drugs etc?
 
#5
Almost certainly a simple discharge. The rigmarole of going through the disciplinary process to send someone to Colly isn't worth the effort. A CDT failure can be run through as a discharge very simply.
 
#6
If you don't argue with the failed test do you get discharged straight away or do some time in colchester first, if so, how long?
Under British law you cannot give evidence against yourself and as a urine sample is classed as evidence then it cannot be used against you - to answer your question, no you would not do time in MCTC, you would simply be discharged.
 
#7
Under British law you cannot give evidence against yourself and as a urine sample is classed as evidence then it cannot be used against you - to answer your question, no you would not do time in MCTC, you would simply be discharged.
Have you just made that up or is every drink driving conviction ever based on blood/breath samples invalid too?
 
#8
If you don't argue with the failed test do you get discharged straight away or do some time in colchester first, if so, how long?
Are you looking at getting out earlier by taking something?
 
#9
If you don't argue with the failed test do you get discharged straight away or do some time in colchester first, if so, how long?
Almost certainly straight to civvie street with a statement on your testimonial. Enjoy trying to get a job with that on your reference!

GBTD

Sent from my iPhone using ARRSE
Twitter: @goatbagthedruid

"When the going gets tough, the tough hide under the table"
 
#11
Almost certainly straight to civvie street with a statement on your testimonial. Enjoy trying to get a job with that on your reference!

GBTD

Sent from my iPhone using ARRSE
Twitter: @goatbagthedruid

"When the going gets tough, the tough hide under the table"
you say good luck with that on your reference, what does this mean? do you have to put it on your cv? how would an employer find out?
 
#12
1. No i'm not looking to get out quick, but for those who do, it seems very easy to do so and therefore a major floor if all they have to do is take some drugs at the weekend and then you're straight out? surely they should have to do some time before they get discharged? can anyone confirm what actually happens regarding discipline after a fail?

2. With regards to it going on your reference, what exactly would go on? how would any employer know you were in the army least of all fail a drugs test?

seems a bit too easy to get out to me.
 
#13
2. With regards to it going on your reference, what exactly would go on? how would any employer know you were in the army least of all fail a drugs test?
Assuming you're not going to go for a job that requires security clearance, you can always lie about what you've been doing for a few years of your life. Claiming to have spent them sitting on the sofa watching Jeremy Kyle rather than being gainfully employed is hardly going to impress a potential employer though. Being found out for lying in your job interview later on is probably not high on the list of things you should do to stay employed either.
 

ugly

LE
Moderator
#14
Well no employer in the last 25 years has ever asked to see my red book!
 
#15
Well no employer in the last 25 years has ever asked to see my red book!
I agree, Ive known lots of lads kicked out for drugs who have found work (Granted, not as a copper or anything like that), but most civvie firms don't really give a shit so long as you can do the job.
 
#16
red book? actually no idea?

the score is, i know a soldier who wants to get out and has suggested taking drugs for a quick exit, so basically he's going to get his way, he wants to go back to college and i'm sure they don't need security clearance so he's got exactly what he wants?

would telling the chain of command i'm aware of this make any difference if they know he wants to get out i.e not kick him out and retain him instead?
 
#17
Newbie,

Right, you are a mixed up young man.

What are the reasons for your questions? Do you want to leave the Army? If yes then what are the reasons? I would suggest that you speak to your CoC about this.

CDTs are an issue. You are questioning about how you are discharged after being caught. This predicates that you know when the tests will be. Up to you.

By getting involved with drugs you are breaking the law, getting involved with low life criminals and also organised crime as well as endangering your mates.

Regarding the reference, if you speak to any employer they will ask why you left your last job. If you lie and say you didn't have one and they find out then you will probably get sacked. If you say you had a job they will ask for a reference. Your army reference will mention that you were dismissed for class * drugs which are not compatible with service life. This probably means you will not get the job.

If you are happy with working cash in hand or in low prestige jobs then fine. If not then man up and do your time. Don't be jack.

GBTD

Sent from my iPhone using ARRSE

"When the going gets tough, the tough hide under the table"
 
#18
Under British law you cannot give evidence against yourself and as a urine sample is classed as evidence then it cannot be used against you - to answer your question, no you would not do time in MCTC, you would simply be discharged.
I love some of the bullshit people come out with.
 
#19
Newbie,

Right, you are a mixed up young man.

What are the reasons for your questions? Do you want to leave the Army? If yes then what are the reasons? I would suggest that you speak to your CoC about this.

CDTs are an issue. You are questioning about how you are discharged after being caught. This predicates that you know when the tests will be. Up to you.

By getting involved with drugs you are breaking the law, getting involved with low life criminals and also organised crime as well as endangering your mates.

Regarding the reference, if you speak to any employer they will ask why you left your last job. If you lie and say you didn't have one and they find out then you will probably get sacked. If you say you had a job they will ask for a reference. Your army reference will mention that you were dismissed for class * drugs which are not compatible with service life. This probably means you will not get the job.

If you are happy with working cash in hand or in low prestige jobs then fine. If not then man up and do your time. Don't be jack.

GBTD

Sent from my iPhone using ARRSE

"When the going gets tough, the tough hide under the table"
While 99.9% of that is all true I have to echo someone above and say that I have never been asked for my red book and I thought that it was now illegal to put anything negative on any reference that you provide.

So anything from the army could at worse have "discharged SNLR" which you can always spin to your advantage in an interview.

As for the bit about crime etc - not if he does a day trip to Holland, perfectly legal there and will still show up on CDT if you happen to know when they are visiting of course.
 
#20
Refer to para 9.463 para d of QRs for the Army 1975 amendment no 31 for the exact wording. Will mention class of drug detected.

As for going to Amsterdam (not legal in all areas of Holland), it is irrelevant. Military personnel know the score.

GBTD

Sent from my iPhone using ARRSE

"When the going gets tough, the tough hide under the table"
 
Thread starter Similar threads Forum Replies Date
D The Intelligence Cell 24
Regiment646 Weapons, Equipment & Rations 8
LBdr_Pigshagger The NAAFI Bar 74

Similar threads

Latest Threads

Top