Do you consider Division 3 newboys Leeds United to be a Big

[Gundulph]

Keano etc. are still convinced their Once Mighty Footballing side that is or could it be 'Was' Leeds United is still a BIG Club... there has been some debate on this so lets put it to a Poll Vote to prove it... (and Leeds Fans this means only one Vote per person perleease!)...

 

[wayner1970]

As a newly promoted and devoted Swindon Town fan, i am particulaly looking forward to meeting this "huge" club in league 1 (ok ok Div 3) next season. And Mr Judas Wise, you should have stayed with us instead of taking Leeds gold pieces, that way you could have entered League 1 (ok, ok Div 3) in a more dignified manner than you dragged Leeds into it. Oh yes and why wont you be starting on minus 10 points!!

 

[spitlock]

Leeds United AFC have a proud history, a proud fanbase and im sure they will revive themselves, as a Yorkshireman its depressing to see such a fall from grace, but as they say the only way is up, where as it might not be a big club Gundolph in terms of fixtures big names and European cupties anymore, Im sure you'll agree for the league their in there a massive club.

 

[Gundulph]

As a newly promoted and devoted Swindon Town fan, i am particulaly looking forward to meeting this "huge" club in league 1 (ok ok Div 3) next season. And Mr Judas Wise, you should have stayed with us instead of taking Leeds gold pieces, that way you could have entered League 1 (ok, ok Div 3) in a more dignified manner than you dragged Leeds into it. Oh yes and why wont you be starting on minus 10 points!!

Yep, a Resounding Well Done to Swindon, another amazing result for Good Ol Luggy, Southampton were idiots, not giving Paul Sturrock the chance he deserved I'm glad Paul Sturrock has done the Business again as he did twice with Plymouth Argyle, with Sheffield Wednesday and now with yourselves, the man is a Legend!

 

[snapper]

Bottom three and fast heading for a right trashing from Torquay Utd in a couple of seasons.....

Well done Swindon though.....

 

[Gundulph]

Leeds United AFC have a proud history, a proud fanbase and im sure they will revive themselves, as a Yorkshireman its depressing to see such a fall from grace, but as they say the only way is up, where as it might not be a big club Gundolph in terms of fixtures big names and European cupties anymore, Im sure you'll agree for the league their in there a massive club.

Time will tell Spitlock, Division 1 isn't the walkover Leeds United will be expecting, I personally don't see you coming back for a couple of Seasons at least...

 

[Bottleosmoke]

Get yourself a posting to Aldershot. They will be passing each other in the not too distant future.

 

[polar]

I personally don't see you coming back for a couple of Seasons at least...

Gawd you don't give up, its already narking you that we expect silverware. The major drop was ages ago, last seasons defeat to Watford was hard, this is minor. Whats annoying you is that Leeds will come back and be top 1 in the premiership sooner rather than later.

 

[Bottleosmoke]

I personally don't see you coming back for a couple of Seasons at least...

Gawd you don't give up, its already narking you that we expect silverware. The major drop was ages ago, last seasons defeat to Watford was hard, this is minor. Whats annoying you is that Leeds will come back and be top 1 in the premiership sooner rather than later.

Ryman premiership.

 

[Gundulph]

I personally don't see you coming back for a couple of Seasons at least...

Gawd you don't give up, its already narking you that we expect silverware. The major drop was ages ago, last seasons defeat to Watford was hard, this is minor. Whats annoying you is that Leeds will come back and be top 1 in the premiership sooner rather than later.

You really do go through life wearing yellow, blue and white tinted spectacles don't you fella... "Expect Silverware" that is laughable, everyone here who supports a Division One Team reading that will be rolling around with laughter, I'll say it again, Division One is not the walkover you think it is going to be as was the Championship, which you ended up becoming the foundations of!

 

[polar]

You really do go through life wearing yellow, blue and white tinted spectacles don't you fella...

Do I really? Give me a long term financial reason why Leeds will not bounce back.

Potential turnover £100+ million (peak being £109m 2000-01)

Current turnover probably about £20-30 million (wages/turnover 50%)

Biggest 'ex' big club (Nottingham Forest) turnover $12 million (wages/turnover 75%)

Debts, not exactly sure but isn't it around £3.5 million (10% of the £35m owed before going into administration)

 

[LostBoss]

Whats annoying you is that Leeds will come back and be top 1 in the premiership sooner rather than later.

the triumph of hope over experience

Paraphrasing Samuel Johnson

 

[forniup]

As A Bristol Rovers fan I'm looking forward to winning the playoffs and joining Swindon Cheltenham and Yeovil in the "Big time" of the 3rd Div. I would love to go to the Swindon vs Leeds match just to give that fcuking munchkin Wise a piece of my mind, money chasing tw@t. He should have stuck with it at Swindon fair play to them!

 

[keano]

Yep, a Resounding Well Done to Swindon, another amazing result for Good Ol Luggy, Southampton were idiots, not giving Paul Sturrock the chance he deserved I'm glad Paul Sturrock has done the Business again as he did twice with Plymouth Argyle, with Sheffield Wednesday and now with yourselves, the man is a Legend!

Paul Sturrock should have come to Leeds the man is a great manager. I despise Dennis Wise the midget can't even speak properly.

 

[JRHartley]

Sorry but Leeds have never been a big club. In my opinion ,'Big' club does not just mean 'well supported' club. Big clubs are the ones who have shown repeated sucess throughout their history, are well supported and compete in club competition with the top teams from other countries. Having 25,000 or so average attendance and winning one 'old' div 1 title in the last few decades does not make a big club.

Leeds have much in common with clubs like Blackpool and Preston etc. the ones that were massively supported in their prime, that have had a resonable period of success in their past but will never be thought of as a big club.

Look how long it has taken Bolton to get back into competitive football with the top clubs yet even with Boltons past history they will never be considered a big club...[no disrespect to Bolton etc.]

Now, If you are asking are Leeds a big fish in a small pond then my answer would be yes. but a big club...no

 

[polar]

Leeds have much in common with clubs like Blackpool and Preston etc. the ones that were massively supported in their prime, that have had a resonable period of success in their past but will never be thought of as a big club.

Eh? Blackpool Preston NE! So your bet is that Leeds United will fall into oblivion, probably replaced by Farsley Celtic as the number 1 team in Leeds.

 

[JRHartley]

Leeds have much in common with clubs like Blackpool and Preston etc. the ones that were massively supported in their prime, that have had a resonable period of success in their past but will never be thought of as a big club.

Eh? Blackpool Preston NE! So your bet is that Leeds United will fall into oblivion, probably replaced by Farsley Celtic as the number 1 team in Leeds.

Well they're in the [old] 3rd divison and in administration so it's not like they're doing anything to convince me otherwise. They don't have any players of notable value and , as far is I remember, they don't own the ground to sell it off anymore.

The rumour mill has it that Ken Bates was 24hrs from sending a 'bigger' club - Chelsea into administration before Abramavich turned up so I don't hold out much hope for Leeds. It'll be some comeback if they can pay off their debts and turn the club around when they are playing the likes of Cheltenham or Gillingham

Perhaps some split-off supporters group will re-form 'Leeds CIty FC' and they can get back up to the Premiership that way..at least they'll have the advantage of starting off facing the right direction ?

 

[polar]

It'll be some comeback if they can pay off their debts and turn the club around when they are playing the likes of Cheltenham or Gillingham

The Division 3 clubs will all be better off for Leeds being in the same league (big attendance for the games etc) and I would expect many of these clubs to send large numbers to Leeds.

A more worrying point is that Leeds still expect to send a large number of away fans, other teams grounds won't have the capacity to host them. Also Leeds put restrictions on who can get away tickets.
I've seen this in the past and I've found it far easier to get into the home teams section of the ground as did many others (I hope you can see the flaws in this)

Perhaps some split-off supporters group will re-form 'Leeds CIty FC' and they can get back up to the Premiership that way..at least they'll have the advantage of starting off facing the right direction ?

I was thinking of that, Farsley Celtic are in the play offs for the conference on Monday which would make them the 2nd Leeds football league team if they win. Bets on Farsley Celtic renaming themselves to Leeds Celtic .......

 

[keano]

The rumour mill has it that Ken Bates was 24hrs from sending a 'bigger' club - Chelsea into administration before Abramavich turned up so I don't hold out much hope for Leeds. It'll be some comeback if they can pay off their debts and turn the club around when they are playing the likes of Cheltenham or Gillingham

ERRRRR!!!???? Chelsea are not as big a club as leeds and certainly were not when bates was in charge, they had never won f*** all (seriously 1 league title in the 50's and a couple of FA cups) till Romans millions bought the title, an FA cup and 2 league cups.

Preston won the league as blackpool sis when there were only about 8 temas in it so anything pre war doesn't count in the post war era as stated on the other thread Leeds are the fourth most successful team in england I thank you.

For everyones reference (as this pre-pubescent confusion on what a big club is has become an annoyance to me) big clubs are...

Scum (Man U)
Liverpool (Bin Dippers)
Leeds
Everton
Arsenal
Spurs
Chelsea
Villa
Citeh
Wednesday
Forest
Derby
and to a lesser extent Wolves, B'ham and WBA.

Anyone not from that list that can match or beat

Football League First Division
Winners (3) 1968-69, 1973-74, 1991-92
Runners-up (5) 1964-65, 1965-66, 1969-70, 1970-71, 1971-72
Football League Second Division
Winners (3) 1923-24, 1963-64, 1989-90
Runners-up (3) 1927-28, 1931-32, 1955-56
FA Cup
Winners (1) 1972
Runners-up (3) 1965, 1970, 1973
League Cup
Winners (1) 1968
Runners-up (1) 1996
FA Charity Shield
Winners (2) 1969, 1992
Runners-up (1) 1974
Inter-Cities Fairs Cup/UEFA Cup
Winners (2) 1968, 1971
Runners-up (1) 1967
European Cup/UEFA Champions League
Runners-up (1) 1975
European Cup Winners' Cup
Runners-up (1) 1973

has a shout at also being a big club if not you're not.

 

[skintboymike]

Leeds United AFC have a proud history, a proud fanbase and im sure they will revive themselves, as a Yorkshireman its depressing to see such a fall from grace, but as they say the only way is up, where as it might not be a big club Gundolph in terms of fixtures big names and European cupties anymore, Im sure you'll agree for the league their in there a massive club.

I'm sure when 'they' said that they weren't referring to Leeds current sorry plight. And regardless of how good you reckon Leeds are, going down again is a very real prospect, and one which I'm sure all Leeds fans have contemplated more than once.