during their time in government, labour (and the tories before them) have made massive cuts to HM armed forces, particularly the Royal Navy. It would appear that in the future, the defence budget will be under even more pressure as tax revenues decrease due to the recession. Should the country have a referendum on what place the people / untermensch (translation for the benefit of labour party members) want their country to have in the world and how much resource the people are willing to put toward defence spending to achieve that place. What position should the UK have in the world? (words to the effect of) 1. The UK should be a 'mini-US' with expeditionary warfare capbility and naval assests sufficent to ensure sea lane security (we are an island nation utterly dependant on imports) and the protection of overseas territories. This would ensure the retention of the permanent security council seat. - increase in defence spending required. 2. The UK should remain self sufficient within the british isles, with a small combined defence force. giving up nuclear weapons (to avoid the situation where our only means of defence is nuclear first strike) and giving up the permanant security council seat. Naval forces maintained at their current minimal levels and overseas territories left to defend themselves. - allows reduction in defence spending, but the UK would be utterly dependant on other nations for securing vital imported resources. 3. The UK should become part of the United States of Europe and a contributor to the EU armed forces. These forces will be under the command of brussels and all overseas territories will be left to fend for themselves. The UK would lose its permanant security council seat. Allows a reduction of defence spending to that of other european countries. Thoughts?