Do we belive that UK troops could do this?

#2
I find it extremely hard to believe that anything on this scale could take place without repercussions from on high.
I think it's more to do with seeing how much compensation can be dragged out of the UK rather than a serious problem within the army.
Bruises from legal force during arrest dont earn anything but if the story suddenly changes to being beaten half to death in a darkened cell then that's much more profitable.

Or maybe I'm just too cynical.
 
#3
It's also about self-serving, publicity-seeking, slimy, left-wing, hand-wringing lawyers like Phil Shiner, out to earn a fast buck and kudos from Grauniad readers.
 
#4
I find it hard to see how you can try someone under european legislation
ina british court about crimes which hapened in Iraq.
Guess the tax payer is paying for this travesty .
I 'm sure British troops could behave like this if they were let of the leash what were the sncos and officers doing when these abuses were supposed to be happening ?
 
#6
I find it all very far fetched and i wonder if the Iraqis have been vetted properly. My guess is that the ambulance chasing lawyers took the stories at face value and were naive enough to believe them.

Oh well....free trip to London, stay in a plush motel, free meals, chance to moan to someone important etc at the taxpayers expense, I'd tell'em whatever they wanted to hear as well.
 
#9
Well, you guys are simply living in a dream world. They DO torture iraqi prisoners, they DO shoot random dogs/cats/chickens/goats and they do rape iraqi women. Wake up you stupid tossers. Some grunts are not as nice as you guys, some of them are heartless, shameless, angry ******* with no life other than the army. Wake up ffs. Thick people + guns, power and authority = problems.

I'm not a 'lefty' by any means. But i've seen some things and been told some things that I have no reason to disbelieve. Things that I believe most reasonable people would find unacceptable.

Just because you have some allegiance with these guys does not mean you should brush aside or disbelieve the reports with a cinical view that 'lefty' lawyers are out to make a name or money.

Small minded ignorant tossers, the lot of you.
 
#10
Lekta said:
Well, you guys are simply living in a dream world. They DO torture iraqi prisoners, they DO shoot random dogs/cats/chickens/goats and they do rape iraqi women. Wake up you stupid tossers. Some grunts are not as nice as you guys, some of them are heartless, shameless, angry ******* with no life other than the army. Wake up ffs. Thick people + guns, power and authority = problems.

I'm not a 'lefty' by any means. But i've seen some things and been told some things that I have no reason to disbelieve. Things that I believe most reasonable people would find unacceptable.

Just because you have some allegiance with these guys does not mean you should brush aside or disbelieve the reports with a cinical view that 'lefty' lawyers are out to make a name or money.

Small minded ignorant tossers, the lot of you.
Either post some proof, or wind your neck in. Just because you get a hard-on every time you are given some responsibility doesn't mean everyone else is as weak as you.

So.... proof, or look like a real prat. (That's first hand proof, not what a bloke down the pub told you he heard.... if you are old enough to go to the pub?)
 
#11
Lekta said:
Well, you guys are simply living in a dream world. They DO torture iraqi prisoners, they DO shoot random dogs/cats/chickens/goats and they do rape iraqi women. Wake up you stupid tossers. Some grunts are not as nice as you guys, some of them are heartless, shameless, angry ******* with no life other than the army. Wake up ffs. Thick people + guns, power and authority = problems.
I find you and your unjustified statements highly offensive.

Please let me know when you were in theatre actually witnessingthis sort of event.

dreams or memories from halluciagenics are not allowed
 
#12
Your attempts at a comeback are little more than playground banter. Why you asking how old I am, why are you unjustly incinuating that I take drugs or made this up whilst hallucinating? There is no need to have served to know what happens based on witness accounts. My God, i love the way you guys always try to evade the answer with that little gem.

What I am trying to get you guys to accept is that this kind of thing DOES go on. IT DOES, read it you small minded *******, IT DOES. The sooner you guys realise it and try and get the inner culture of the armed forces changed the better.

I just saw a clip from your sig Disco. "Die raghead die". Ok so this is supposed to be funny, but I have no doubts what-so-ever that 'raghead' is the only word used to describe our middle-eastern brothers. Actually, what am I thinking, raghead is probably one of many degrading terms used. You right-wing, small minded *******.
 
#13
Letka, if you are a journo, which I doubt, you are working for some free weekly newssheet dropped onto carpets like unwelcome catsh!t. Now, if you REALLY want some investigative journalism, get your “Respect” T shirt on, pick up your notebook & pen and go out Tikrit and explain who you are and request an interview with the disgruntled locals.

Soon afterwards we will see you with a blindfold on Al Jazeera in a grainy video, the next time we will see you (or at least most of you) will be beneath a bridge in Bagdad & your head will be found some weeks later in someone’s fridge.

It is not a Guardian cheese & wine party out there, grow up & stop making an ARSSE of yourself.

Go watch Fox TV & get the rush ………..
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#14
Lekta said:
Your attempts at a comeback are little more than playground banter. Why you asking how old I am, why are you unjustly incinuating that I take drugs or made this up whilst hallucinating? There is no need to have served to know what happens based on witness accounts. My God, i love the way you guys always try to evade the answer with that little gem.

What I am trying to get you guys to accept is that this kind of thing DOES go on. IT DOES, read it you small minded *******, IT DOES. The sooner you guys realise it and try and get the inner culture of the armed forces changed the better.
Okay..... you accuse us of 'school boy banter'. You say that this sort of thing does go on. You say there are witness accounts.

But you offer no proof. You cannot identify your sorces. You cannot confirm that you have been in Iraq to say you have witnessed these events yourself.

Not a very good set of arguments on your part. May I suggest that to say that something happens, not offering any coroberation and then calling my argument 'school boy banter' is just about as childish as it gets.

I say again. Offer some proof..... or look even sillier than you do now.
 
#15
Lekta wrote

Well, you guys are simply living in a dream world. They DO torture iraqi prisoners, they DO shoot random dogs/cats/chickens/goats and they do rape iraqi women.
Erm.we have to account for every round fired......ever heard of a shot rep? And finally although i do doubt it ...have you ever seen a Iraqi woman without a male member of the family nearby?

Lekta.you need to get out more....perhaps you could go on a fact finding visit to Fallujah :D
 
#16
Lekta said:
I just saw a clip from your sig Disco. "Die raghead die".
If you actually took the trouble to read things properly before jumping to your wild conclusions and stereotyping, you would have seen that the images in Disco's sig are in fact American parodys of 1940s propaganda posters. What's more, they are against Bush's Iraqi adventure.

I am sure your 'Islamic brothers' would be proud of you. Cretin.
 
#17
Not a guardian cheese and wine party. I'm well aware of that. I'm well aware of the shit our boys get whilst trying to enforce some kind of law and order in the hell hole that is Iraq. Do you seriously think that because my views differ to yours i'm totally blind to the situation? That I honestly think its simply a job that the UK police force (for instance) could undertake?

I understand that the armed forces are being attacked on a daily basis. Attacked whilst helping these people to freedom. But, however much some iraqis hate the british army that does not give the armed forces the given right to 'get their own back' and treat the prisoners and brit haters with anything but profesionalism.

Treating prisoners like shit puts us to shame. It HAS happened, it WILL continue to happen. Simple grunts have simple pleasures. One of which seems to be kicking the shit out of defenceless prisoners.
 
#18
Well said LWM. This to**er sounds like a student. Full of wind, pi** and left-wing theory, but knowing nothing about anything first-hand. Ignore him. Maybe he'll grow out of it, if his mouth doesn't get him filled in first. For his benefit, "insinuate" is spelled with an "s", not a "c". S as in shi*. C as in what you are, cnut.
 
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#19
Lekta (Hannibal?), the point you seem unable to accept now, and you seemed unable to accept before when these allegations were first floated, is that behaviour of this sort is not accepted or condoned by the 'inner culture of the armed forces'. If these things happened, and they remain unsubstantiated allegations rather than proven facts, then everyone posting on this site will be disgusted and horrified. What we find hard to accept is, firstly, that this kind of thing can have taken place in the way it is being described, because members of this site are aware of the checks and balances which are in place to prevent abuse like this; and secondly, what sticks in everyone's throat, is your assertion, based on some bullshite story you got from a mate, who got it from a mate, that this abuse is widespread in the army and acceptable: it isn't and it isn't.

So it's on this basis that when you post this kind of bollocks, you get fecked off at the high port.
 
#20
Lekta said:
Treating prisoners like s*** puts us to shame. It HAS happened, it WILL continue to happen. Simple grunts have simple pleasures. One of which seems to be kicking the s*** out of defenceless prisoners.
Maybe you should think of the faith you are showing the forces in their ability to do their job with skill and profesionalism puts those very forces to shame.

If you want to make a difference.... get off your arrse and join up..... go do the job. However.... I'm not sure that the army will take people with your attitude..... sorry.

By the way, how many 'Grunts' do you know? And may I suggest you don't let any 'grunts' actually know who you are if you meet one ;-)