Do the Americans understand what is meant by "terrorism"?

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Tamera Jo Freeman was on a Frontier Airlines flight to Denver in 2007 when her two children began to quarrel over the window shade and then spilled a Bloody Mary into her lap.

She spanked each of them on the thigh with three swats...A flight attendant confronted Freeman, who responded by hurling a few profanities and throwing what remained of a can of tomato juice on the floor.

The incident aboard the Frontier flight ultimately led to Freeman's arrest and conviction for a federal felony defined as an act of terrorism under the Patriot Act...
Linky: In-flight confrontations can lead to terrorism charges - latimes.com

Another post on the Boston bombing highlighting the very wide definition of WMD being adopted by the US has had much discussion. On a similar note, the ability to convict a foul mouthed mother under pressure for an act of terrorism suggests that our cousins across the water have yet to get an appreciation of scale. Is it:

a) the idiocy of the US legal system;
b) a poor grasp of the reality of terrorism; or
c) something really subtle that we have not grasped ourselves?
 
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Do the Americans understand what is meant by "terrorism"?

No, next question.
Correct! The Americans do not understand because they live in their own paranoia bubble where every act of the slightest aggression and/or disagreement is construed as against the State, ergo, terrorism.


Americans - stupider than a stupid West Country idiot on a stupid day. (other areas of the UK are available)
 
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Why did the flight attendent feel the need to 'confront' the woman? As I read it the kids were acting up and got a slap on the legs. If the mum was sloshed maybe the airlines need to review their policy on serving alcohol- it seems many people can't be trusted.
However it didn't say that this was the case, so did the flight attendent decide to interfere and, instead of cleaning up the spilled drink, give a lecture on parenting skills? Whatever, she / he got the mum three months in nick, she / he must be proud.
 
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Correct! The Americans do not understand because they live in their own paranoia bubble where every act of the slightest aggression and/or disagreement is construed as against the State, ergo, terrorism.


Americans - stupider than a stupid West Country idiot on a stupid day. (other areas of the UK are available)
Didn't stop them supporting terrorism in NI though. Or at the very least turning a blind eye.
 
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Couple of random people of a certain religion kill three people with bombs and shoot a copper and it's terrorism, the (surviving) culprit's rights are abridged and it's the end of the world. On the same day or the day after a bloke walks into his place of work/school/bank, shoots half a dozen people and terrorizes the rest and no one's particularly interested.
 
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Didn't stop them supporting terrorism in NI though. Or at the very least turning a blind eye.
My point of stupidity covers this. They are so insular it is embarrassing. As an Irish man, I find it hard to understand that whilst they are grief whoring over Boston, they have no concept of the harm and suffering that they were contributing to when the buckets were being passed along the street.
 
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Why did the flight attendent feel the need to 'confront' the woman? As I read it the kids were acting up and got a slap on the legs. If the mum was sloshed maybe the airlines need to review their policy on serving alcohol- it seems many people can't be trusted.
However it didn't say that this was the case, so did the flight attendent decide to interfere and, instead of cleaning up the spilled drink, give a lecture on parenting skills? Whatever, she / he got the mum three months in nick, she / he must be proud.
And I'm sure the children are chuffed to bits with the outcome.
 

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you should ask the labour party why they introduced sweeping and frequently abused police police powers which charged a conference heckler with terrorism and those two girls with bollox to blair tshirts.
 
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Im very wary when travelling in US airports with my kids as we have had a few problems with airport security. My son has autism and on one occasion decided that he really didnt want to go through the barrier and just wanted to look at the planes on the ground so he ran like Bolt himself up the stairs to the viewing platform.
I explained about his problem and was told in no uncertain terms not to cross the barrier, but what stood out was they had hands on holsters ready to use !!! It took the bugger`s about 5mins to chase him down and hand him back to me, i could have got him back in 10seconds. But when they asked him if he was going to do it again he just said yes because he didnt get to see the planes.
Now the same thing happened at the other end in the UK explained what the problem was and i was given leave to get him without a problem and no one wanting to shoot my kid, if someone gonna shot the little bugger its gonna be me.

Most of them are too gungho and never use the grey matter.
 

Grumblegrunt

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Their country was founded on terrorism, so they used to understand it.........
they should its been part of their world brief ever since
 

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you should ask the labour party why they introduced sweeping and frequently abused police police powers which charged a conference heckler with terrorism and those two girls with bollox to blair tshirts.
Came in handy when that Icelandic bank went tits up. Nothing like a bit of arbitrary loosely worded bit of legislation awarding dictatorial powers. The Brits are actually far worse in this respect than the Septics who at least have some grasp of the concept of rights.
 
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Came in handy when that Icelandic bank went tits up. Nothing like a bit of arbitrary loosely worded bit of legislation awarding dictatorial powers. The Brits are actually far worse in this respect than the Septics who at least have some grasp of the concept of rights.
And yet they did not impound Diane Abbott under the Dangerous Dogs Act.
 
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What is the definition of a "Weapon of Mass Destruction" nowadays? Nukes, check; Chemical weapons, check; biological weapons, check. IEDs? Naaa. How can the term be applied to what is admittedly pretty nasty if you are sitting in the blast area, but you can't compare the Boston incident with Hiroshima, the use of Sarin in Tokyo or the gassing of the Kurds? If that is the the case, then Belfast should have ceased to exist years ago - with the help of all good Bostonians.
 
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...with the help of all good Bostonians.
Good article from this week's Spectator by Peter Oborne:

One of the first world statesmen to send a message of sympathy to Boston after last week’s outrage was Gerry Adams, president of Sinn Fein. ‘Just watching news of the explosion in Boston,’ he tweeted, ‘Sympathy with people of that fine city.’ Mr Adams has every reason to think fondly of Boston. Throughout the troubles, while he sat on the IRA war council, Boston was one of the major American centres which he (through Noraid) could rely on for support and funding. Bostonian money would have been used to help pay for the IRA attack on Margaret Thatcher’s democratically elected government in Brighton, the grotesque Birmingham pub bombings that left 21 dead, and of course the Lisburn van bombing of 15 June 1988. On that terrible occasion six off-duty British soldiers were killed by an IRA bomb just after they had completed a half-marathon for charity.

By no means all Bostonians supported the IRA. But far too many for comfort filled in the collecting tins that went round the bars of the south part of the city, where IRA terrorists were treated as heroes. This activity was smiled on by many local politicians, and overlooked for a time even by the FBI. Of course one’s heart goes out to the dead and wounded from last week’s hideous attack, and the sympathy here in Britain has been universal. But it is not easy to draw the distinction between the horror inflicted on Boston last week and the IRA (and loyalist) atrocities of the Troubles. Yet US sympathisers are funding the ‘Real IRA’ even today. In the light of last week’s horror, would it be too much to ask them to desist?
 
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What is the definition of a "Weapon of Mass Destruction" nowadays? Nukes, check; Chemical weapons, check; biological weapons, check. IEDs? Naaa. How can the term be applied to what is admittedly pretty nasty if you are sitting in the blast area, but you can't compare the Boston incident with Hiroshima, the use of Sarin in Tokyo or the gassing of the Kurds? If that is the the case, then Belfast should have ceased to exist years ago - with the help of all good Bostonians.
The best "Weapon of Mess Destruction" I ever saw deployed was a white cabbage. After four hours of Mess Rugby (a long game due to constant interuptions for liquid sustenance) the gaff looked like a brasilian skip, only with fewer kids in it!
 
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