Do reenactors have any valid role to play, or are they all just walt wastes of life?

Do reenactors have any valid role to play, or are they all just walt wastes of life?

  • Reenactors are all useless walts.

    Votes: 9 19.6%
  • Some reenactors play a valid role, but their contributions are rendered meaningless by the 'walts'

    Votes: 13 28.3%
  • Some reenactors play their role well enough that they overcome the activities of the 'walts'.

    Votes: 24 52.2%

  • Total voters
    46
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Beery

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When asked critical questions about what it is they feel they're doing by reenacting, reenactors often see themselves as memorializing the soldiers of past wars. They see themselves as 'living historians', presenting the contemporary world with a fresher understanding of what soldiers of times past wore and how they lived.

The reality, of course, is often a bit more complex: more often than not, reenactors are overweight or even morbidly obese, they can't or won't wear uniforms properly, their 'tactical' events can only be described as 'grown men playing army', and they would be laughed out of any real military organization in the world.

But occasionally, we do see folks who do look the part and play the role with some knowledge and reverence. As a way of memorializing wars long past, do such people play a valid role? Or are they little better than the fat loser walts? And if they do have a role to play in memorializing wars which have no living veterans, is that role overshadowed by the majority of reenacting walts who seem to be hell-bent on making the hobby seem like a farce?

What do you think?
 
#2
I think this should be moved to the NAAFI so i can give you the abuse you deserve! What is it to you? They enjoy doing it, they provide educational material to kids and adults alike. As long as they are not falsely stating they are ex soldiers they are not walts.
 
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Beery

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#3
I'm an ex-reenactor. I originally joined the hobby because I wanted to memorialize my ancestors' history in the Army and military life in general, but I quickly became discouraged by the number of people I felt were ruining the hobby and making it a laughing stock.
 
#5
Oh, chucked out of the LeibstandarteGuardsturmtruppenWulfHunds were we?
 
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PrinceAlbert

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#6
I went to see some reinactment play at Painshill park once, as I had **** all better to do.

I got chatting to a few of the guys involved, hoping to find an excuse to take the piss. They were surprinsingly very knowledgable about their chosen subject.

They also said that of an evening they sit about, get a BBQ on and get cunted. During the day they all fire black powder at each other, and take turns in winning.

It sounded like a bit of a laugh to be fair.
 
#7
There is a difference:

Walt: claims to be something they are not for the sake of trying to gain admiration and fill the deeply depressing sadness that is their empty lives.

Reenactor: someone who (probably) has no military skills, but a passion to try a teach a subject many of our leaders seem to be ashamed of- our history. They do not claim to be anything else, they were'nt on the balcony.
 
#10
I went to see some reinactment play at Painshill park once, as I had **** all better to do.

I got chatting to a few of the guys involved, hoping to find an excuse to take the piss. They were surprinsingly very knowledgable about their chosen subject.

They also said that of an evening they sit about, get a BBQ on and get cunted. During the day they all fire black powder at each other, and take turns in winning.

It sounded like a bit of a laugh to be fair.
I knew a para trained LE officer who had done plenty of good stuff during his career. He was also in an English Civil War re-enactment society, I think it was called the Sealed Knot. He was of the same type described by Prince Albert; Very enthusiastic and knowledgable about the subject. Blatting a bit of powder at his mates, BBQ and then get wrecked afterwards. We took the pi55 a bit but to be fair to him he took it all on the chin and he didn't give a fcuk what people thought about his hobby.
 

oldbaldy

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#11
I'm an ex-reenactor. I originally joined the hobby because I wanted to memorialize my ancestors' history in the Army and military life in general, but I quickly became discouraged by the number of people I felt were ruining the hobby and making it a laughing stock.
I'm a member of the Sealed Knot. Founded by Brig Peter Young a WW2 Commando.
Believe me no one but no one laughs at us.
When at a multi history event I have a great deal of respect for those who re-enact other eras: Greek Hopolites, Vikings, The Middle Ages, Napoleonic (although most seen to want to be Sharpe, the French have the best uniforms) and so on. The Vietnam re-enactors do a great show called Rolling Thunder.

http://www.thesealedknot.org.uk/
 
#12
The first world war lot are always very good, I've thought. Small scale, but good. To be honest, I think a lot of the groups are very good. You don't really get walts with the older periods that are reenacted. The second world war stuff is often very well portrayed, although the level of depth some of the reenactors go to (for example the SS bloke who always brings his wife kids in HJ uniform, that's a bit worrying.)
 
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Beery

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#13
I really wasn't trying to be a troll. It's just that, over the years I've been here, I see posts on the NAAFI railing at walts (who are usually reenactors) and, as a reenactor, I figured that this was how Army folks thought of the hobby in general. I'm quite surprised to see a lot of posts supporting reenacting.

On the issue of why I haven't posted in 3 years, I felt that I never had much to contribute. I have actually posted more than twice, but it was in a post about reenacting and it was a couple of years ago, so it was probably deleted somehow. I don't usually contribute, because I was never in the military, so I didn't feel it was my place to comment on military matters.

I generally reenacted in WW1 reenactments in the USA (which is where I live now). I semi-quit the hobby because I felt the tactical events were farcical - filled with people who were only there because it gave them an excuse to shoot old guns. Now I only occasionally participate in living history events, which tend to be more serious and educational.
 
#14
Two of the blokes I know in the Haworth Home Guard (as seen on the Forties weekends) are former paras, so I'd hesitate to call them walts. What their group does really well is give talks and demonstrations that show the history of what the LDV/HG did for this country. The Haworth lot are particularly knowledgeable and gave an amazing talk last year in which they showed great knowledge and professionalism. I'm sure they all get blotto at BBQ's occasionally, probably without eggs...
 
#16
I put re-enactment types in with Morris dancers, people who put Alba or Kernow on their cars, Folk singers - especially the women who sing desperately wanting to be Maddy Pryor and those who attend Ye Olde Village Fair which is full of Olde Mrs. Gangrene Crotch's Mango Chutney, Ye Olde Organic Hamburger stand and usually a couple of fat buffoons sweating profusely as they flog their crap beer that is only amusing by the names they give them - Head Throbber, Liver Damage or Olde Bob's Vomit. Don't, please, don't buy stuff from Ye Olde Bred sic stand. If it says, on a badly carved wooden sign "All our produce is hand milled, hand thrown and hand baked" watch out for the smell of Old Holborn and nail clippings.

But seriously folks... they are all a pain in the arrse, but important to our heritage and, yes, the majority of re-enactment types mean well, know their stuff and quaff tankards of "Beetle Juice". (See what I did there you astronomy arrsers?) Defend our British right to have eccentrics in our mundane lives!
 
#17
I have some friends who do Medieval re-enactment and another lot who do Anglo-Saxon re-enactment. They go out of their way to try and make sure that they wear the right kit, eat the right foods and generally have a good time. The Anglo-Saxon mob can be found at West Stow most weekends throughout the summer and help people understand what it would have been like, although H&S stops them from doing some stuff.
 
#18
A while ago I saw an archaeology programme which was examining the skeletons of archers (no, not the radio series). It noted some deformation in the arm bones and when compared against modern practitioners of the sport there was real difference – however they looked at a guy who used equipment contempory with that of the era they noticed the same deformation (bigger bows with heavier draw weight being responsible I assume).

I have seen a few programmes like that – time team springs to mind – where the re-enactors provide real data as they use equipment similar to that of the era and can provide feedback and insights about problems the people of the time would face.
At the end of the day a bit more healthy and a damn sight more social than sitting in a dark room playing World of Warcraft into the wee small hours every night.
 
#19
A while ago I saw an archaeology programme which was examining the skeletons of archers (no, not the radio series). It noted some deformation in the arm bones and when compared against modern practitioners of the sport there was real difference – however they looked at a guy who used equipment contempory with that of the era they noticed the same deformation (bigger bows with heavier draw weight being responsible I assume).

I have seen a few programmes like that – time team springs to mind – where the re-enactors provide real data as they use equipment similar to that of the era and can provide feedback and insights about problems the people of the time would face.
At the end of the day a bit more healthy and a damn sight more social than sitting in a dark room playing World of Warcraft into the wee small hours every night.
If you saw the amount of Ale and Mead packed away in one of these weekends healthy is not the top word.
 
#20
Every year I trot along to the Kent County Showground,to attend 'The Military Odyssey',which is a re-enactors dream,you name it they're there,Year blob,to the current day,all incredibly knowledgable about the period they chose,and they also 'rough it' as well.

Chatted to an ACW re-enactor,who spent the whole 3 days living in a repro tent,with his missus (also in period),it pissed it down most of the Saturday,but they still had the time of their life,they harm nobody,they're knowledgable,and enthusiastic,lifes to short,leave 'em alone!:)
 
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