Do Governments get worse the longer they serve ?

Do Governments get worse the longer they serve ?

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#1
As this government has been on the go for 10 years now, has it got through its first 11 ? After all the scams, controversey, sackings, resignations etc etc Are we being run by the water boys ? Your Comments please !
 
#2
I think so. No matter what party, give it power for too long and it takes it for granted, and basically abuses it, which is what Labour are doing now (again, in my opinion). If we had an election now and voted the Tories in, Labour would get a deserved kick up the arrse, the Tories would spend at least a few years doing the "right" thing, or at least going through the motions of being a democratic government.
 
#4
Quite right Goon, the Governments are not being kept on their toes. There is no real fight to win the public over by doing good for the country, they are more interested in beating eachother.

We should never give government chances, those chances will just be used to screw up.

Havent had the pleasure of voting yet, but cant wait when/if an election is called.
 
#5
I am not sure if it is a case of losing touch with what they knew was right, and become arrogant and believe what they want is right. After all the "no sleeze here" was a big part of the manifesto as was honour and integrity, the last MP who did the honourable thing was Lord Carrington resigning over The Falklands Invasion as he was head of the Foreign and Commonwealth Office so the problem was his he got it wrong and resigned. The Tories lost the way and were given a humiliating defeat, that was despite haviong to drag the country out of the mire of the 70's.
 
#6
Yes, as time goes by all governments start to believe their own press and spin. Of course they also get too far removed from the people they are there to serve a lose touch with reality. Ultimately they get reckless and stupid in their bid to simply remain in power. It seems reaching double digits in power is about the time they really start to go off the rails.

Expect this lot to increasingly go barking as they start to realise what a mess they're in and bid to get re-elected in 2010.
 
#7
I'd like to add that this lot are particularly bad as very few of them have ever had a real job. They've all worked in politics or unions their entire adult lives.
 
#9
:x Power corrupts, the longer you get away with holding on to power the more you can screw the electorate, more spin and taxes, more perks for the M.P.s eg. M.P.s can have a second home near London and have the mortgage paid by the tax payer eg. Ed Balls getting 27,000 quid per year& says he could have up to 42,000 quid if necessary, he sure has lots of balls. but he is only one of many with two homes, see if you can get a council house or get your mortgage paid? Cheap booze and food for M.P.s even some store their second or third cars under the House's of Parliament, and lots more perks, they make the rules, who can afford to travel by rail? Yes power corrupts and they get worse the longer they are in eg. Tony Blair :x :x :x :x :x :x :x
 

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#11
I spent a lot of 1980 at HEC Muelheim AD Ruhr learning Civil Service German Linguist (Army). At one point the Adjutant was attending some education for promotion course at HEC. Because we were in the same troop, we shared transport so Sunday nights and Friday evenings we could talk in the car.

Maggie had just come to power and I was really upbeat that she had a mandate to destroy Socialism forever, then we could move on to the lesser evil of Communism. He described to me how on his course he had just just been taught that history shows that no right-wing government ever outlasts ten years before losing its way.

I think given those historical facts, Maggie and her cronies did well to hang on to power for 18 years.

Of course this current shower has been using smoke and mirrors throughout its time to disguise its lack of ... well anything other than spin when I think about it ... and the only thing that surprises me is that it has taken so many people so long to realise it.
 

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#12
boelynbulldog said:
the last MP who did the honourable thing was Lord Carrington resigning over The Falklands Invasion as he was head of the Foreign and Commonwealth Office so the problem was his he got it wrong and resigned.
Robin Cook over Iraq? Don't see how it could be a matter of honour though cos he was one of Tone's crones to start with.
 
#13
Interesting interview this am on the Today prog - David Owen has written a book on the 'Hubris Syndrome'.

Basically, the longer in power the politico is, their arrogance increases, a does unwillingness to take advice or other points of view, disassociation from the real world, unshakeable conviction that they are right no matter what...

Sound familiar? He gave a few examples - Blair, Bush, Thatcher at the end and so forth. However he is saying that it is a neurological syndrome rather than merely massive ego and megalomania. Should we be sorry for the poor ill darlings?
 
#14
how different would it be if we said no political party could be in power for more than 10 years?
Would politicians go off the boil in the 9th year, or would they go all out to leave a lasting legacy of their time in power?

If we had a military coup, would we want Jacko as the head of state?

Our political system may not be very good, but it is better than all the rest.
 
#15
Not only does power corrupt but it attracts some fairly corruptible people in the first place.

Politicians are like a herd of pigs jostling at the trough. If they spend enough time there they start to see it as divinely ordered and believe that they somehow have a 'right to govern'.

It doesn't matter that they are demonstrably incompetant, manifestly venal or widely loathed - They don't care. Except briefly every five years or so when there is a possibility that they might lose their sinecures in Westminster and have to go and work for a living. Given that most of them seem to be lawyers or journos by trade, they at least, have something to fall back on.

Governments definately get worse the longer they s(w)erve.
They run out of ideas and become more and more remote from the people who pay their wages and more absorbed by their own putrid egos and power plays on the national and international stage.

We now have a 'political class' of professional career politicians who want power for power's sake and are in the game for what they can get out of it.
I believe that democracy and public scrutiny are regarded as an inconvenient anachronism by some of these political mutants. They crave absolute power and an omniscient state and are inching towards it.

In my opinion 5 years is quite long enough in government for any individual Prime Minister and after that they become a liability - if they weren't one already.

I have often heard politicians described as 'whores'.
They are not - politicians will routinely and casually commit acts that most whores would shrink from.

These creatures are dangerous and become more so the longer they are allowed to remain in office.
 
#16
Short answer: yes.

Long answer: yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeesssssssssssssss!!!!!!.

More than that, it's pretty fair to say that political systems also get worse the longer they are used, since human sloth and greed are pretty much impossible to neutralise.

You start out with a system which exists to send an upstanding member of your community to Parliament to put forth your collective views before the House but before you know it you've got a system of Party Politics where e.g. if your MP gets made Speaker, he will not represent your views by voting because of some cosy arrangement made with the other lot.

Give it a few hundred years and this gets put forward as hallowed tradition, only right and good, along with all the other shenannigans that have come about. Nowadays, your MP exists to promote the Party line in Parliament and to their constituency.

Personally, I think it long overdue for change. One thing the Seppos have got right is separate votes for representatives and the Senior Executive. The arguments for our 'leader of the biggest party' system are well out of date. It doesn't prevent a cult of personality developing, it just ensures that the personality has to dominate a far smaller electorate, that of the Party.

Of course, I could just be talking shite.
 
#17
I am not sure whether it is the time in power or the very big majorities many governments have enjoyed over the last 30 years that is more to blame. Many governments over that period have had majorities which have emasculated the opposition and ensured that the most effective opposition is in fact internal to the governing party. This has resulted in the governments paying more attention to managing their internal politics rather than paying real attention to the people. Equally it has resulted in these emasculated opositions wandering lost in the wilderness for long periods before they realise that it is the electorate that matters not internal soul searching. That is power comes from offering the electors what they want not farting around with ideology.

I think we should be looking for a system of partial re-election of parliament every 2 years so that governments must ocnstantly pay attention to the electorate and it would be a good thing if the parties placed a self imposed limit of say 6 years on their leaders. These two things would reduce the ability of governments to run on with their own agendas for 4 years then bribing the electorate with nice things in the fifth and stop PMs becoming too isolated from the real world by brown nosers.
 
#18
I agree that the vast majorities created by our first past the post system does not help democracy since parliament becomes virtually useless. I never thought I would say this but I am beginning to think that PR may be the way to go since it would force the MPs to keep closer links with the populous. I appreciate we could end up with Italian instability but that rather depends on the model of PR used rather than the principle itself.

I find it very galling that this Gov't can't even keep to its manifesto regarding a referendum on the EU constitution. I beleive this morning's declaration by the select committee that monitors europe that the present treaty is substantially the same as the old consitution, should force this gov'ts hand, but hubris will not allow Brown to U turn again. I would respect him more if he did. All he cares about is politics not the view of the people. Until all parties become more credible we will always have a low turnout and therefore have a meaningless democracy since most don't vote.
 
#19
absolutely and let us cast our minds back to the days of cool Britannia and a new Liabour government elected as the public was disenchanted with both the incompetence and sleaze of Majors Britain!

Tone 'soon to be the cnut faced snake oil salesman & peoples princess' promised us a new era of sleaze free government!

Shame about the formula one tobacco sponsorship! mean while gorgon 'the big boys made me do it' was counting down the days untill it was his turn!

FFS has parliament has it always been so bad? Full of near do well self seekers!
 
#20
halo_jones said:
absolutely and let us cast our minds back to the days of cool Britannia and a new Liabour government elected as the public was disenchanted with both the incompetence and sleaze of Majors Britain!

Tone 'soon to be the cnut faced snake oil salesman & peoples princess' promised us a new era of sleaze free government!

Shame about the formula one tobacco sponsorship! mean while gorgon 'the big boys made me do it' was counting down the days untill it was his turn!

FFS has parliament has it always been so bad? Full of near do well self seekers!
The quality of MPs has definitely dropped. There is no one in the current crop who you could call a heavyweight either in national or global politics. They are all second raters at best.
 

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