Do engineers fight or are they re echelon

Status
Not open for further replies.

chimera

LE
Moderator
Hi all.

I’m in the process of becoming a carpenter in the royal engineers. And I’m unsure about how much I will be butchering wood to how much I would be doing soldier stuff. As I want to be deployed.


are engineers like the infantry bit with a trade or are they a complete re echelon units?

I want to do both really, but it seems difficult to get information of what happens after training.

 

chimera

LE
Moderator
 

chimera

LE
Moderator
 
In my experience (albeit way out of date), there are never enough sappers so there are sappers on every deployment, whether it´s fighting or not.
 
Is a Carpenter described as an Engineer in the Army? I know a lot of Engineers who are very offended by others hijacking that name, likewise, as a Carpenter, I would be loathed to be called an Engineer who mostly have the social skills of an insect.

A Carpenter is surely a Craftsman and a painter is a Tradesman.

All sappers (i.e. private soldiers RE) are given an opportunity to learn a ‘construction trade’. Trade training courses normally alternate between combat engineer courses (and other military specialties like EOD) and promotion courses like section commanders’ courses and field sergeants’ courses*.

At a certain point in their career soldiers can choose to specialise in their trade and then become ‘Clerk of Works RE’ at a SNCO/WO Level. These are very skilled people and similar to clerk of works/building inspectors on a construction site. A bit like sapper officers (with a relevant degree) can become ‘professionally qualified engineers’ (PQE) and specialise in construction*.

The trade training follows the normal Class 3-2-1 progression*. Back in the day the pay would depend on the nature of the qualification. IIRC C+J was a ‘B’ trade, Fitter RE (for example) was an ‘A’ trade and Soil Mechanic (yes there is such a thing) was a ‘T’ trade.*

Are they engineers? Well we used to be two different corps. The ‘Corps of Royal Engineers’ used to be an officer-only corps (after we shed ourselves of the gunners) supported by the Royal Corps of Sappers and Miners. But that was before even my time. But all sappers are combat engineers before they are tradesmen/women.

And my dad was a Carpenter RE. He was however the worst chippie in NATO. The term ‘wood butcher’ might have been coined for him, and I do sometimes wonder if @MrBane and I might be related. But then at B3 level in WW2 he’d probably been more involved in building formwork for concrete field defences then crafting occasional tables :)





* some of the names of these courses may have changed since the last ice age.
 
Status
Not open for further replies.

Latest Threads

Top