Div flashes - To buy or not to buy?

#1
Quick scenario -

Deploying on ops as part of another div, told we'll have to pay for div flashes that are to be worn on uniform. Sounds wrong and i haven't exhausted all avenues of enquiry yet. No outrage, no point getting excited, just want some sensible views. I understand they are only approx £1.50 each, and due to the velcro panels on MTP we'll only need one each. As per usual though, it's the principle.
 
#2
Have you spoken to your CoC?

If you are bothered by it simply dont do it. If they issue you a flash, put it on, if not, dont.
 
#4
I recall a letter in Soldier mag a bit back, where a similar question had been asked. The reply from Brig Griffiths, the then DS Pers (I think) and now Dir of Infantry, was along the lines of people should not have to fork out for their own uniform, or parts thereof. See if you can dig it out and wave it around.
 
#5
It all depends on how enthusiastic you are about a career and promotion - your call really!

I dread to think how much I spent on tracksuits, stable belts, cravats, div/corps/formation flashes, 3 mess kits, miniature medals, Service Dress & attachments over 39 years and 286 days!
 
#7
Quick scenario -

Deploying on ops as part of another div, told we'll have to pay for div flashes that are to be worn on uniform. Sounds wrong and i haven't exhausted all avenues of enquiry yet. No outrage, no point getting excited, just want some sensible views. I understand they are only approx £1.50 each, and due to the velcro panels on MTP we'll only need one each. As per usual though, it's the principle.
Wearing of unissued kit? I wouldn't do it if I were you! Amazing how the rules always change. Get those non issued boots off, where is your regimental t-shirt that you have to buy?
 
#9
I recall a letter in Soldier mag a bit back, where a similar question had been asked. The reply from Brig Griffiths, the then DS Pers (I think) and now Dir of Infantry, was along the lines of people should not have to fork out for their own uniform, or parts thereof. See if you can dig it out and wave it around.
Alternatively just shell out £1.50 and get a life.
 
#12
Buy your own kit? Bergans, boots, Norgie shirts, Ok fine. But Div flashes from another Div that you are only attached to and will have no further use off - I should coco!!
 
#13
I say just get a grip ffs. It's £1.50 or £3 for two. I bet you are not a man of principal when it comes to doing something personal on the Army's time.

I assume that you will only be using issued kit for the entire tour? No personal bought kit at all whatsoever?
You are a man of principal after all.
 
#14
For God's sake let's hope this doesn't wake stacker1!
 
#15
Alternatively just shell out £1.50 and get a life.
it's cnuts like you who lead to good blokes being out of pocket.

if the Army want him to wear it then the Army should issue it, i don't care if it's 15p, £1.50 or £15.

if he has to pay for it and cannot claim for it on JPA then he shouldn't be buying it.

get a spine.
 
#16
it's cnuts like you who lead to good blokes being out of pocket.

if the Army want him to wear it then the Army should issue it, i don't care if it's 15p, £1.50 or £15.

if he has to pay for it and cannot claim for it on JPA then he shouldn't be buying it.

get a spine.
So you have never made a phone call on the military system? Left early from work? Used a bit of military kit for a private purpose?
 
#17
You are right, it's the principle of the thing. How can a unit create a dress policy based on things that you have to buy yourself? Flashes, rank slides, t-shirts, track suits etc. Regardless of the cost, if someone is demanding that you wear a piece of kit and also demanding that you pay for it yourself, then something is fundamentally wrong. I've been in this positisn so many times and it always ends with threats of AGAI action for being incorrectly dressed or some other crappy punishment threats. I don't know if these would actually stand up to scrutiny, but in most cases you just can't be bothered with the hassle....and thats why this practice will continue...;(
 
#18
You are right, it's the principle of the thing. How can a unit create a dress policy based on things that you have to buy yourself? Flashes, rank slides, t-shirts, track suits etc. Regardless of the cost, if someone is demanding that you wear a piece of kit and also demanding that you pay for it yourself, then something is fundamentally wrong. I've been in this positisn so many times and it always ends with threats of AGAI action for being incorrectly dressed or some other crappy punishment threats. I don't know if these would actually stand up to scrutiny, but in most cases you just can't be bothered with the hassle....and thats why this practice will continue...;(
I don't make my guys wear anything. If they don't want to shell out for their flashes or anything it's cool.

I just assume they are happy with issued boots, fleeces, etc even in the field. Are happy with 0800-1700 Monday to Friday. If they want a brew it's 1000-1030. That is once they have been marched down to the NAAFI. They also obviously dont want sniper tape from the stores for their kit.
 
#19
You are right, it's the principle of the thing. How can a unit create a dress policy based on things that you have to buy yourself? Flashes, rank slides, t-shirts, track suits etc. Regardless of the cost, if someone is demanding that you wear a piece of kit and also demanding that you pay for it yourself, then something is fundamentally wrong. I've been in this positisn so many times and it always ends with threats of AGAI action for being incorrectly dressed or some other crappy punishment threats. I don't know if these would actually stand up to scrutiny, but in most cases you just can't be bothered with the hassle....and thats why this practice will continue...;(
Mess dress, anyone?
 

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