Dispatches - Labour election tactics.

#1
Well, what on Earth was the point in defeating communism and the dictatorships it created in eastern Europe? After seeing this program this evening I'm quite convinced we now live in one ourselves. The level of deceit , manipulation, media deception and cover up demonstrated tonight was quite shocking. What was even more awful was the way 'loyal party members' (where did we used to hear THAT phrase in the past 50 years?) willingly lie, and provide themseves as accomplaces in disruption of opposition party members campagns. I really am quite afraid for the future of this country.
 

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Speedy said:
At least Maggie told you out straight what the score was.
Not quite - maggie told you what you will think the score is.

Saw the prog tonight and I must say that i was not particularly impressed or surprised. Remember the lassie Platell doing somethin similar to the Tories. Journos looking so smug at how they have outed Labour and their tactics. Why not do it during the election FFS?

Somehow I don't think Tone & Alistair will lose any sleep over this one.

If anyone, during the elction ever thought that those 'impromptu' gatherings were other than stage managed then they deserve what they have.
 
#10
No she didn't Speedy , but that's another discussion :)

You haven't seen the half of what the Labour Schwarzlügengruppe gets up to. The Hartlepool by-election was nasty , Hodge Hill just beggared belief.

As for the hired American guns that appeared at one election , when it looked like a Minister was going to lose her seat.......

Possibly one of our serious political lurkers might comment?
 

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Speedy said:
At least Maggie told you out straight what the score was.
Not quite - Maggie did not just say what the score was she told you that the 'score' was her's and it ain't for changing.

Saw the prog tonight and I must say that I was not particularly impressed or surprised. Remember the lassie Platell doing somethin similar to the Tories. Journos looking so smug at how they have outed Labour and their tactics. Why not do it during the election FFS?

Somehow I don't think Tone & Alistair will lose any sleep over this one.

If anyone, during the elction ever thought that those 'impromptu' gatherings were other than stage managed then they deserve what they have.
 
#12
Watching that programme I could not help but think I was watching the History channel and kept expecting to here more about Dr Goebbels.

I, like many others, knew that the whole political campaigning in the election was corrupt but I was truely staggered by the scale of the deceipt. The jurnos were all moaning about it but they are partially to blame because they were the ones who screened all these shambolic events during the election. Surely they should use their judgement and refuse to give air-time to such blantant propaganda.

As for the groups of party activists disrupting the other parties events, I can only say I am ashamed to have this government in power. What next? A fire at the Houses of Parliament enabling BLiar to arrest the Tories and declare a one party state?
 
#13
Maybe I was looking at Maggie through retrospective goggles. As for the program, all I could keep thinking to myself was 'We're living in North Korea!'
State controlled media (even the so called independants were manipulated beyond belief), access only to the close loyal 'Party' members, and the opposition humiliated by activists. It's really, really scary.
 
#15
Like others I was struck by the similarity of New Labour to the early days of the National Socialists. One day soon I hope to see a TV series entitled "Neue Arbeite - a lesson from history".

I couldn't understand why the national press gave Labour the time of day after being kept at arms length and used as pawns by the SpinMeisters. If they were as unhappy as they said last night they should have boycotted NL press conferences - then they'd have had to put in even more party workers/Dispatches workers.
 
#16
Does anyone remember the RAF and RN officers who wrote to the Times (a few years ago) praising the decision to scrap the Sea Harrier and replace it with an upgraded (slightly that is) GR7?

I recall reading the letters page in the Mess with a sense of bewilderment. Surely personnel aren't permitted to contact the media to discuss official matters etc.... Some media types did a bit of digging (not hard really, they went through the RN and RAF lists) and could find no trace of said officers. A Guardian article o nthe subject is quoted below:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/military/story/0,11816,717831,00.html

Cabinet ministers rarely rejoice these days when they pick up their morning newspapers. But Geoff Hoon, the defence secretary, must have felt a warm glow when the Times published a letter from two serving officers rallying to his defence in the face of Tory attacks.
Sadly for Mr Hoon, the missive from a Flight Lieutenant Dan Holland of the RAF and Lieutenant James Hamblin of the Royal Navy has been exposed as a fake. As a hunt was launched for the unidentified authors, or author, the Tories turned their sights on Labour's fabled spin machine.

The letter, published last Monday, defended ministers in the face of Tory criticisms of the government's decision to scrap the Royal Navy Sea Harrier six years before its replacement is due to come into service. It was written after Bernard Jenkin, the shadow defence secretary, warned on May 8 that the government's decision would undermine Britain's defence strategy.

The Ministry of Defence is saving £109m by scrapping plans to upgrade the Sea Harrier's engine to keep the jump jet flying until 2012, when a replacement aircraft will come into service.

The letter said the Tories were in no position to offer lectures on military cuts. "If anything the Tories have done more to hurt our national defence over 18 years than anything Labour could do in five."

Such remarks proved too much for Mr Jenkin, who immediately spotted a ruse. He said: "The moment I read this letter I thought the author must be a member of Labour's spin team. No serious officer would be willing to pump out propaganda on behalf of the government in this way."

The letter was exposed when the former defence minister, Nicholas Soames, asked in a parliamentary question whether the officers had sought approval for their letter. An embarrassed Adam Ingram, the armed forces minister, replied on Thursday that no such men were serving in the armed forces.
The programme last night held no surprises. Action is needed to cause maximum damage to the Liabour propaganda machine. I suggest the following:

1. Media outlets should refuse airtime to "manipulated" public events. If journalists are not invited, then the cameras should not go.

2. A database needs to be established that collects letters from regional newspapers and carries out pattern recognition and maintains a list of names. The "usual suspects" can be unmasked and scripted letters can be identified. Photographs of activists could be recorded and movements tracked.

3. Political parties (ie the Tories and Lib Dems) should seek injunctions against the Labour Party to prevent the organisation of "spontaneous" demonstrations.

4. A bill should be introduced that sets clear boundaries on what is appropriate in political campaigning.

Any other ideas, short of putting them all against a wall? :twisted:
 
#17
This definitely needs to be stamped on before we go any further down the road towards US style 'electioneering'. Remember all of the fuss about the Fast Boat Crew web-site? It's blatant lies and bully-boy tactics.

So much for a government that came to power in 97 proclaiming it was going to do away with the sleeze that blighted the Tory Party. This shower of sh1te are even worse!
 

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