Dispatchers - How the MOD waste our money

Trans-sane

LE
Book Reviewer
#2
Watching it right now. So far Jock Stirrup has been bad-mouthed about being flown from London to Chatham for armed forces day (at a time when whirly birds were in very short supply in helmand). That was part one. Now part two on equipment...
 
#4
Not able to see the programme, but its attacking CDS for daring to use a helicopter to get to an official engagement? Lets get this straight, most seniors use Gazelles or similar aircraft for VIP transport. These helos are not and never have been used in Afghanistan or Iraq to my knowledge.

In what possible way is he denying troops helos by using something that they never have and never will use in HERRICK?

This 'nasty officers who dare to use helicopters' bandwagon is very tiresome.
 
#5
I think it was trying to point out the 'nasty officers who don't dare use other less expensive forms of transport' but I see your point, it does paint an interesting if not widely known/assumed view of how utterly shite things are 'at the office' and up in the rafters with the headshed, I found the point ref the number of senior British officers compared to the same tally of USMC headshed quite bewildering.
 

mattyw

Old-Salt
Kit Reviewer
#6
Asking colt if they could of supplyed the british army with weapons. Yes the could of but there is lots of hidden cost like trainning.
This is realy getting anoying know.
 
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Zarathustra

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#7
Interesting, most of it seems to be things alot of use will already know, but it's good that these problems are being made public, or bought to the attention of the public.
 
#8
The Public won't feel so bad about MOD cuts having seen this... the timing is quite superb... no coincidence i'm sure.
 
#9
Not able to see the programme, but its attacking CDS for daring to use a helicopter to get to an official engagement? Lets get this straight, most seniors use Gazelles or similar aircraft for VIP transport. These helos are not and never have been used in Afghanistan or Iraq to my knowledge.

In what possible way is he denying troops helos by using something that they never have and never will use in HERRICK?

This 'nasty officers who dare to use helicopters' bandwagon is very tiresome.
Maybe those heli pilots could be trained to fly Apache and serve in Afgan instead of acting as a flying taxi.

1st class rail and a staff car x pounds.

a heli to the doorstep mand a staff car xxxxxxxxxxxxxx pounds.


better for a civis view of the Army...

hmm I think the second option
 
#10
I have been in the AAC for 18yrs, If you ask every bloke what helicopter they want.....BLACKHAWK. Future Lynx never featured in minds, especially now as it is being chopped from the original promised suite, with capability reduced.
 
#11
If anybody missed it, it is starting again now on Channel 4 + 1. An excellent programme in my humble opinion - not to be missed!

If you miss it, try Channel 4 dot com for the iPlayer thingy (check here).

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Zarathustra

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#12
I have been in the AAC for 18yrs, If you ask every bloke what helicopter they want.....BLACKHAWK. Future Lynx never featured in minds, especially now as it is being chopped from the original promised suite, with capability reduced.
Seems we were forced into Future Lynx because the RAF wanted to fly Blackhawk...
 
#13
The whole programme was half baked. I was annoyed by one of his closing comments that 3 rifles, who suffered 1 in 10 casualties in Afghanistan over 6 months is on a par with WWI!! I seem to remember 18 DLI losing over half their contingent in one week during the Battle of the Somme. Lazy journalism.
 
#14
Just seen a preview for next weeks panorama. "can the army police itself any longer" said over a reconstruction of a squaddie clubbing a prisoner.

Open season on the army is it then?
 
#16
Just watched. Some truth there (quite a bit) but terrible journalism.
“Money spent on subsidised housing for Senior Officers”? I think he means “married quarters”. My boss has a large house, but it is used, amongst other things, for Elizabeth Cross presentations.
They also trotted out the old “school fees” thing. That’ll be the scheme open to all ranks, to enable them to give their children some semblance of a stable education, not a “for the toffs” perk.
I also enjoyed the way that every time officers were discuss there was string quartet music played and a background picture of people drinking champagne.
There were very many valid points – buying off the shelf, the “conspiracy of optimism” etc etc. Just a bit disappointed by the old class war stuff.
One last thing – they talked of the numbers of people going on from procurement to work in the industry. I’m an Infantry Officer of 16 years with a degree in f*cking archaeology. So defence or security industry for me if I leave. That’s not sinister, that’s just paying the mortgage.
By the way, was it just me or was the reporter a huge prick?
 
#17
Gazelles did participate during the liberation of Iraq, 3 Cdo Air used them. I remember the LI BG having a few on the pad at Abu Naji Jan 2004.

when it comes to accounting the NAO are adept at making us all appear wasteful.
 

Trans-sane

LE
Book Reviewer
#18
I think it was trying to point out the 'nasty officers who don't dare use other less expensive forms of transport' but I see your point, it does paint an interesting if not widely known/assumed view of how utterly shite things are 'at the office' and up in the rafters with the headshed, I found the point ref the number of senior British officers compared to the same tally of USMC headshed quite bewildering.
Suspect it might be that we have five and a half times as many 1* or higher than the USMC despite having less personell. Slightly disingenuous I agree as we have a lot of peripheral things that the USMC can outsource to the USN or assorted Pentagon wonks. But I am reminded of a line I read joking about an RN post "Flag Officer Car Parks"
 

daywalker

LE
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#19
Asking colt if they could of supplyed the british army with weapons. Yes the could of but there is lots of hidden cost like trainning.
This is realy getting anoying know.
What hidden costs, the support network for that particular wpn system is already in place.
 

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