Disenfragmenting???

Discussion in 'Gaming and Software' started by putteesinmyhands, Aug 3, 2008.

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  1. Right. I've defragmented my hard drive several times in the past and frequently been left with a message that some files couldn't be defragmented.

    If I cut these files, then paste them in a different location, will they become contiguous? Or doesn't the moving process really move the file, just the address?

    If I move the file to removable media before moving it back, will this help?

    I accept that in the overall scheme of things, a fragmented file isn't going to make an awful lot of difference (or perhaps I'm wrong?), but I'd like to tidy things up.


    Also (I've asked this question in part previously), if I move my Program Files folder to the D: drive partition (which is substantially empty), will new files relating to it be created in the current C: drive folder, or will a new folder be created automatically in the D: drive? If I've not made myself sufficiently clear, this relates to programs that create separate data folders in addition to the folder that actually runs the program.

    This also relates to tidying up the hard drive - I intend to archive old data onto DVD-RW, but I'd like to shift the program itself onto the D: partition which appears to be underused. This would create a larger space on the C: drive, reducing archiving frequency.


    While I'm on, will increasing RAM really make a difference? While I accept that a larger RAM will speed up CD/DVD-based games (which I don't play often), would it make a major difference to web-based games which are dependent on wireless and broadband speeds? And to the downtime that results from antivirus and anti-spam checks?
     
  2. You may not be able to cut & paste the files, their order etc will be known only by the IDE firmware, and any attempt to move or alter them could render them inaccessible, then you're fcuked. Defragmeting is useful occasionally, but your files, including tghe many created by practically every app or utility you run, would have to be in sh1t state never before seen to notice an vast imporvement.

    There are specialist third party defragmenters that MIGHT help, but be wary of them and read any disclaimers first.

    I cannot answer the other queries, but a RAM increase takes a load off Windows Virtual Memory, i.e., more hard drive.
     
  3. Still... I've move other fragmented files and they've still worked. What I haven't done is run the defragmenter before and after to check whether they've become more contiguous.

    I've been quite ruthless this time, having shifted most of my data onto a couple of DVDs, leaving little more than the programs on the hard disk. I'm hoping (probably another 2 hours for the defragmenter to run) that there'll be plenty of free space for the previously-fragmented files to unfragment themselves. Moving the program files onto the D: partition would free up twice the space available on the C: partition (60/40 split on the C:/D: partition with the D: partition currently less than 25% full).
     
  4. Buy another hard drive you skinflint.........A big one this time.
     
  5. That's too technical. Getting a new laptop would be simpler, but would only be a short term solution.
     
  6. A programme's data will either be saved in its installation directory, or more often these days in your Windows profile "Documents and Settings" folder - which is located on the same drive as your Windows installation. (usually C:).

    If the programme is saving data in its installation folder (C:) and you then move that folder to a new drive (D:) post-installation then it will attempt to save the data in its original installation folder (on C:). What you would need to do is reinstall the programme into the new Programme Files folder on drive D:.

    Something you might want to consider is moving your Windows virtual memory paging file to drive D, instead of C. Also make it a fixed size which will alleviate some of the slow downs caused by a fragmented hard disk. Mine is fixed at 4000 Mb.
     
  7. i find that a humungous HD still slows down windows at times, abmittedly my pc is getting to steam driven stage but i think the way foward is twin med sized drives.


    and more ram is never a bad thing either, if your a Photoshop user it eats ram.
     
  8. Once solid state drives get to a reasonable capacity for price, they will solve many of the latency problems experienced with normal drives.
     
  9. In my limited experience:

    1. Defragmenters rarely manage to work to 100%. They won't touch system files that are in use, for a start. As another contributor wrote; don't worry about it!

    2. Adding system RAM will improve the speed of your system but not if most of your work is done on the Net - unless you have lots of pages/programs open at the same time.

    3. Don't move your c:\program files folder. The registry points to that area and if you move it, your programs will stop working. During the installation of a program, it will ask you where you to place the program. At that point, you can point it somewhere else. However, I don't. Everything goes in that folder under the name of the maker/program.

    4. Hoovering up all your data files and keeping them in one place is a really good idea (as long as they are then adequately and regularly backed up (and the backup is checked...)). I have lost control of my hard disk and need to spend some time rearranging it!

    5. Make certain that your backups work by restoring them to a separate area, and afterwards deleting those "new" files. I have recently lost two backups that turned out to be duff. No damage done but I lost time and effort whilst trying to sort out what happened.

    Litotes
     
  10. I never said humungus.......
    I only have 2 80Gb SATA drives myself, raided up for speed....