Discrimination in training?

I agree on the issue with being asked to put apps on your privately owned phone.

On the other hand, using these apps is going to mean that you get paid.

As such, buying a cheap smartphone for your training is probably a good idea.
There's no need to install anything.....
 
There have been questions raised over security issues of a non military nature, simply put individuals are stating they do not feel comfortable with some random app on their phone, and it is a perfectly good argument considering it is their personal device not military issued kit.
The internet is not secure. Your phone is not secure. Your email is not secure. Most websites you use are probably not secure.

Best not to discuss anything sensitive over any of them. However I doubt that training over Zoom is going to leak any state secrets.
 
I agree on the issue with being asked to put apps on your privately owned phone.

On the other hand, using these apps is going to mean that you get paid.

As such, buying a cheap smartphone for your training is probably a good idea.
Why? Most of my guys seem to think nothing of installing any app that promises them a chance to meet members of the opposiote sex (an infinite number of genders are available for the more adventurously inclined), or to share pictures of their genitals with the unsuspecting. This sounds like sheer bloody mindedness.
 
I feel this is going well
 

morsk

LE
I'm hoping some policy or JSP guru can offer in for this one.

Like all reserve units, ours was stood down and is currently so due to corvid. Talk has been mentioned of using zoom to conduct training in the future (the reasons for and details of material are a totally different can of cluster****). There have been questions raised over security issues of a non military nature, simply put individuals are stating they do not feel comfortable with some random app on their phone, and it is a perfectly good argument considering it is their personal device not military issued kit.

The current scene is that training will go ahead, and those who do not wish to have this app on their devices are free not to attend training. I have raised the following point and now wonder if I am being a complete mong on this issue.

A reservist is expected to ensure they are physically and mentally capable of completing any training they are tasked to perform, and also ensure they are able to complete a reasonable quantity of training to ensure they are job role suitable at all times.

In return the Army will provide training suitable and safe (as per JPS's) for the job roles of the troops, in addition if any specialised equipment is required it will be provided at no expense to the troops. So we now have a number of troops who are keen to train and asking to take part, but are quite rightly refusing to pay money to buy equipment to conduct that training (they do not want their personal devices exposed, and so would have to buy a new phone/tablet/laptop just for this task). It sounds like a classic case of "you have to have a stable belt because I wear one, go and buy one".

I get the point that we are all in a unique situation that hasn't happened before in anyones lifetime with regards to training and such, also that things are going to have to change for a considerable time ahead of now. But that isn't the fault or problem of the troops, surely we can't just bin off all the standard policy just because it makes life difficult now and we suddenly have to actually think outside the box for once instead of offloading the crap to the troops at the bottom as normal?
If you feel you ARE being discriminated against, there is a procedure. Speak to your CoC. If using an App is beyond you, dont do it. You are not obliged to do anything. A kind of 0 hours contract if you like. If this is a drama, remember, this is how it id delivered and you need to fall in line with that. That is pretty much how it works in the Army. Needs of the Army come first etc etc
 
Why? Most of my guys seem to think nothing of installing any app that promises them a chance to meet members of the opposiote sex (an infinite number of genders are available for the more adventurously inclined), or to share pictures of their genitals with the unsuspecting. This sounds like sheer bloody mindedness.
Some apps ask for far too much though. My civvy job asked us to download their company app, but it wanted permission to access, edit, and delete, all photos and files on the phone, access to contacts, as well as call and text message history, as well as wanting to know our location, plus more.

I thought this was a bit much to ask on private mobiles. If it had been company issue, then no problems.

I know a lot of people blindly click on accept when they install apps, but it's not always smart to do so.
 
Some apps ask for far too much though. My civvy job asked us to download their company app, but it wanted permission to access, edit, and delete, all photos and files on the phone, access to contacts, as well as call and text message history, as well as wanting to know our location, plus more.

I thought this was a bit much to ask on private mobiles. If it had been company issue, then no problems.

I know a lot of people blindly click on accept when they install apps, but it's not always smart to do so.
So nothing like the OP, is being asked to do then?
 
If you feel you ARE being discriminated against, there is a procedure. Speak to your CoC. If using an App is beyond you, dont do it. You are not obliged to do anything. A kind of 0 hours contract if you like. If this is a drama, remember, this is how it id delivered and you need to fall in line with that. That is pretty much how it works in the Army. Needs of the Army come first etc etc
Or go on to social media, have a pathetic whinge, and be shown up for the idiot that you are. pointed to the direction of Zoom's documentation which says you can join a call through your browser.

There's no need to install anything.
 

morsk

LE
Or go on to social media, have a pathetic whinge, and be shown up for the idiot that you are. pointed to the direction of Zoom's documentation which says you can join a call through your browser.

There's no need to install anything.
Or go on to a very loosely Army themed website have a pathetic whinge, and have it pointed out numerous times that the Zoom' App can be joined a call through your browser, with no need to install anything. Then, not have the decency to say "oh right, ta".

This is the future of the Army. We get Toms straight out of the box exactly the same. Although, being RLC, they are not the sharpest knives in the drawer..... (Nor am I, so that's not an insult exactly)

ETA and throw the word 'Discrimination' for added love islandesque* drama


*watched it once as someone had it on in the guardroom. There was an uber-hot chick on it. Yewanda or something.
 

Ravers

LE
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Since day 1 of lockdown I’ve been using both Zoom and MS Teams for both reservist stuff and my day job.

I haven’t encountered any snags at all. If it’s gathering my internet search history and selling it to China I couldn’t really give a ****. Pretty much every app on your phone does that.

Both are a useful tool for getting work done remotely.

In the case of reservist stuff, it’s a massive win. Sit on your sofa once a week for a 2 hour dit sesh, while drinking tea. Get paid 20 odd quid.

Whatever happened to just doing what the **** you’re told?
 

morsk

LE
I think we were supposed to be outraged
"Marjory, there's a young man being asked to install an App by those damn Territorials. Hand me the good writing paper, I am going to dash off a strongly worded note to our MP"

That kind of thing?
 
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