Discharge Papers

#1
Good afternoon gents,
I wonder if you could provide a little information, or point me in the right direction please.
I run a small company and have advertised for a new member of staff.
One of the applicants, during our initial telephone interview, stated he is ex-Army and we had an 'interesting' chat.

I've invited him along for formal interview, mainly to find out if he is the Walt I'm expecting to see, I'm quite a good judge of people and he doesn't smell right, even over the 'phone.

My main question is what sort of information would I expect to see on his Discharge Papers?
Should they document exactly what he's done in service or are they open to a little speculation (thus allowing him to manufacture roles too secret to put down on paper)?

Regards

Stu
 
#2
Thanks for all the help.

Do I take it from the lack of replies after 75 views that you all approve of the fact that non-military guys don't know what your paperwork looks like, and so you can take advantage of this fact and embellish or lie your way into a new position?
 
#5
Never_Served said:
Thanks for all the help.

Do I take it from the lack of replies after 75 views that you all approve of the fact that non-military guys don't know what your paperwork looks like, and so you can take advantage of this fact and embellish or lie your way into a new position?
Get off your high horse Stu, we hadn't all seen your post.

It's a roughly A5 size red plastic covered book. So if he waves a stack of A4 at you, it's bollocks.

I'll have to go and dig mine out to give you more detail, as I haven't looked at it for years.

Regards
T_T
 
#6
Tartan_Terrier said:
Never_Served said:
Thanks for all the help.

Do I take it from the lack of replies after 75 views that you all approve of the fact that non-military guys don't know what your paperwork looks like, and so you can take advantage of this fact and embellish or lie your way into a new position?
Get off your high horse Stu, we hadn't all seen your post.

It's a roughly A5 size red plastic covered book. So if he waves a stack of A4 at you, it's balls.

I'll have to go and dig mine out to give you more detail, as I haven't looked at it for years.

Regards
T_T
Fair point sir, but 75 of you had read it and I'm up against the clock
 
#7
With the amount of fraud going on you should praise the guys here for not putting the details up so that they are available for people to forge and provide false documentation at interview
 
#8
Tartan_Terrier said:
Never_Served said:
Thanks for all the help.

Do I take it from the lack of replies after 75 views that you all approve of the fact that non-military guys don't know what your paperwork looks like, and so you can take advantage of this fact and embellish or lie your way into a new position?
Get off your high horse Stu, we hadn't all seen your post.

It's a roughly A5 size red plastic covered book. So if he waves a stack of A4 at you, it's balls.

I'll have to go and dig mine out to give you more detail, as I haven't looked at it for years.

Regards
T_T
I have seen A4 sized red books.
 
#9
angelface said:
With the amount of fraud going on you should praise the guys here for not putting the details up so that they are available for people to forge and provide false documentation at interview
Not asking for specifics as such, just an answer to the posted question, is he likely to have done anything that wouldn't be on his papers that I have only his word for and I can't confirm.
PM would work too
 
#10
What's he applying for and is the information that is too 'secret' to go on his paperwork relevant to the job?

Discharge paperwork usually has broad brush statements about the sort of employment that someone has been involved in. Having said that, if anyone has been inolved in anything "too secret" then I would imagine that it couldn't be included on the documentation for obvious reasons.

Unless anyone knows any different?
 
#11
Tartan_Terrier said:
Never_Served said:
Thanks for all the help.

Do I take it from the lack of replies after 75 views that you all approve of the fact that non-military guys don't know what your paperwork looks like, and so you can take advantage of this fact and embellish or lie your way into a new position?
Get off your high horse Stu, we hadn't all seen your post.

It's a roughly A5 size red plastic covered book. So if he waves a stack of A4 at you, it's balls.

I'll have to go and dig mine out to give you more detail, as I haven't looked at it for years.

Regards
T_T
Sorry to disagree, but the 'Red book' A5 or any other size, has been superceded. I have recently left the service, and you get between 3 - 4 A4 pieces of paper, detailing your service, spec quals, honours and awards and final review.

The documents contain a 'holographic' mark, (The Tri service badge I think, can't be arrsed to dig it out), which should prevent fraud. The holder however, is entitled to photocopy the original document, to ensure it stays in tip top condition.

Hope this helps.
 
#12
Stu,

I got out in 03 and recieved an A4 sized red folder. A few pages listing Military Qualifications, what they equate to in civvy street and a brief pen picture. Basic job description at time of leaving, brief history of the type of op's undertaken (arduos op tours, worked well under pressure, leadership etc. etc.) and a bit about my (lack of) personality.

'Pen pictures' differ from CO to CO, some more indepth than others.

Hope this helps a bit?
 
#13
edited to add, all honours and awards will be listed, even if issued to 'them' but it wont specify units, just (as example) General Service Medal, Clasp NI etc.
 
#14
theslayerofmen said:
edited to add, all honours and awards will be listed, even if issued to 'them' but it wont specify units, just (as example) General Service Medal, Clasp NI etc.
Not all, I have the UN medal, which to date I have been unsuccessful in having added to my final paperwork. Fortunately I have the certificate issued by the UN to prove that I am not a Walt.

Tried everything, nothing worked. Out of service, out of mind.

Notty.
 
#15
3-4 pieces of A4 watermarked thick paper... little to no real information on it. Tri service logo on bottom right (or left) corner.... older ones (mid nineties) are red A5 sized with cheap looking photocopies..... got out twice and these look nicer than the first time round!
 
#16
Surely the guy would also have his P file so any courses he did he will have the paperwork for them also he may have past confidential reports as well, I went for an informal20 min interview with the HMP showed them my last CR and also my GCGI including my 3 A4 pages showing decorations, time served and courses completed impressed enough 1 hr later got the job, so if he is a walt then he won't have any of these documents
 
#17
They are incredibly bland pieces of documentation that say nothing contentious, in case the guy sues the MoD for various gripes. They list employment quals ("trades"), specialist quals, where the person served (countries and units I think) and a brief one-word summary of the disciplinary record.
 
#18
hi ns, unfortunatley you get idiots on all forums with their witty remarks at your questions.

what job is this guy applying for? is it logistics, transport, training etc???
what does he claim to have done? what unit , coy, pl, batt, regt, bks does he claim to have been part of??? with this info it is very easy for a genuine soldier(serving/ex) to spot a walter mitty. ask him his army number,,, which is 8 figs long,, usually a soldier will recite it in 2 blocks of four,,, dependant upon when he claims to have joined will tally with the first two figs of his number. ask him what "gunfire" is.....?

there is so much you can catch him out on if he is not genuine.
pm me
 
#19
ukabf said:
hi ns, unfortunatley you get idiots on all forums with their witty remarks at your questions.

what job is this guy applying for? is it logistics, transport, training etc???
what does he claim to have done? what unit , coy, pl, batt, regt, bks does he claim to have been part of??? with this info it is very easy for a genuine soldier(serving/ex) to spot a walter mitty. ask him his army number,,, which is 8 figs long,, usually a soldier will recite it in 2 blocks of four,,, dependant upon when he claims to have joined will tally with the first two figs of his number. ask him what "gunfire" is.....?

there is so much you can catch him out on if he is not genuine.
pm me
Perhaps I have not seen the point, but using your analogy, I joined in 19(24).
 
#20
nottyash said:
ukabf said:
hi ns, unfortunatley you get idiots on all forums with their witty remarks at your questions.

what job is this guy applying for? is it logistics, transport, training etc???
what does he claim to have done? what unit , coy, pl, batt, regt, bks does he claim to have been part of??? with this info it is very easy for a genuine soldier(serving/ex) to spot a walter mitty. ask him his army number,,, which is 8 figs long,, usually a soldier will recite it in 2 blocks of four,,, dependant upon when he claims to have joined will tally with the first two figs of his number. ask him what "gunfire" is.....?

there is so much you can catch him out on if he is not genuine.
pm me
Perhaps I have not seen the point, but using your analogy, I joined in 19(24).
Notty, not having that.......WAAAAAAAAAHHHHH :D :D :D

Other posters have been quite right, there are certain questions which an ex forces guy could ask, which could catch out any Walt quick sharpish. However, I take it, Never Served has Never served :roll: and therefore is asking some perfectly legitimate questions.

My take on it is that the little red book can be deliberately ambiguous, stemming from a genuine desire by the forces to 'civilianise' the write up. If it's too full on military, it can put off some potential employers.

Without contravening any data protection stuff mate, your best bet would perhaps be to record some of what is said/shown to you, and then run it past somebody in the military (perhaps a Forces recruitment centre?) As I say, youwould have to ensure you weren't breaching any data protection issues, but if the guy seems genuine, dig deeper. If you smell a rat, why not just mag to grid anyway, go with your gut instinct
Hope this helps mate.
 

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