DISCARDED BY HIS COUNTRY

#1
I read this article in the Daily Telegraph on-line this morning (in Australia). Apologies if it has been covered elsewhere in Arrse.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/mai...et108.xml&sSheet=/news/2005/11/08/ixhome.html

Perhaps I shouldn't be surprised at a tale like this, but to read of the way Lt Billy Norbury's life has been (and his family) since displaying the bravery he did leaves me despairing. What will happen to today's heroes?

More to the point, is there anything Arrse could or should do? I see no mention of the RBL in the story, could they not be dragged in on the family's side?

Back to work.
 
#3
This makes me embarrassed to be british :oops:. We bend over backwards for stupid arty projects with lottery cash. Pay lazy Ba$tards who do not want to work, give Junkies & Alchoholics EXTRA MONEY (FOR FU$KS SAKE WHAT WILL THEY SPEND IT ON :roll: ). Do our glorious leaders give the deserving Charity's(Glider Pilots, Blesma, The list goes on), their dependants and veterans who gave there all for our country the support they need... Do they feck.

I am disgusted at our elected leaders. :evil:
 
#4
Lads, if they can't even pay serving soldiers a decent wage, call up reserves and pay them less than their outgoings, won't buy combat troops decent body armour and take 20 years to put the bloody rifle to rights, do you really think the MoD / politicians will do the decent thing by this poor woman?

not a chance.
 
#5
Steamywindow said:
Lads, if they can't even pay serving soldiers a decent wage, call up reserves and pay them less than their outgoings, won't buy combat troops decent body armour and take 20 years to put the bloody rifle to rights, do you really think the MoD / politicians will do the decent thing by this poor woman?

not a chance.
:? ....Your lost me.

Big blokey photo included in the link as well....paper has portrait with tash. What were you reading :wink:
 
#6
I think what LRM was saying is that as the govt as they stand at the moment know they are so fcucked up with the Iraq debarcle, that they have sent our boys to GW 's private battle to please his Dad (oo didnt mean that lol) and TB seems so far up GW's poop deck that he knows he has gone too far and can't withdraw without the obvious merde de la face!
But defence wise they are treading on eggshells, however if they were to support this lady, of which she very rightfully deserves are they not just a bit scared it would be seen as spin at this time of rememberance? I think although that was a quick summarisation of whats going on, it just looks that way to me, am i getting cynical in my old age?
 
#7
Contrast the cost of providing a pension to this fine man's widow with the 'redundancy' payments made to Cabinet Ministers who leave in disgrace, only to reappear a couple of months later.
 
#8
Absolutely fcuking disgraceful :evil: I don't recall there being much of a fuss as to where our forces originated in 1940... Typical red tape b0ll0cks :!:

lancslad
 
#9
It has already happened to an officer of South African birth but of UK national parents during Telic...sure get your nuts shot off but don't expect a passport, council house or pension; if only you were slightly..erm..more in tune with the colour scheme around the council offices et cetera then you could have a nice flat to rest in between cashing giros and bashing grannies. Yes I am cynical but it is all based on sound empirical evidence.
 
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#10
There are many things worth fighting for, this current regime is not one of them...
 
#12
It happens to a lot of folks from Africa lads.My grandfather on my mom's side fought for the Brits in the jungles of Burma and came back home a leg less.According to him,the Brits never gave them nothing neither were they ever recognised for the things they did but he never complained about it anyway.By the way,he died a penniless man so there you have it.He was Nigerian
 
#13
From the Telegraph article
The Veterans Agency said war disability pensions were only for those who fought in the Armed Forces in units based in Britain. "We do have to abide by the provisions of the law. Either people are entitled to the pension or not," a spokesman said.
Change the friggin' law then. If he had been a IRA multi-killer, we'd have looked after him better.
 
#14
Back to the top. Any more journalists/politicos out there willing to stand up for a man like this, or for his family?

Story from 8 Nov 05
and 16th of February.

Beware, folks. This story could be about you or your wife, sometime in the future. Do you think the party presently in Government or (many of) the nasty little grey men* who interpret their orders, give a toss for him, or anyone like him?


(*The Veterans Agency said war disability pensions were only for those who fought in the Armed Forces in units based in Britain. "We do have to abide by the provisions of the law. Either people are entitled to the pension or not," a spokesman said.)

...and my job's worth ....
 
#15
Words fail me! Who give's a flying f*** WHERE he joined up!He fought for a country he believed in!!!Makes you wonder if it's all worth it,Fighting & dieing for a worthless,currupt,lying government who care's little for the fighting man/woman & even less for those that are in need!!
My Dad joined the RAF in the WWII in Belfast,He did'nt claim his war pension on the ground's that there are worse off than him & he did'nt need it.(Even tho we told him to claim it)
 
#16
What a disgrace. Mean while the government hands back the EU rebate and gives Sinn Fein a health handout of shorts money £700,000+. Loyalty and Respect for fellow service personnel and their families is at an all time low in this country. I hope this issue is taken on by the Royal British Legion and the widow is given the help she and her late husband should of got all those years ago.
 
#17
spike7451 said:
Words fail me! Who give's a flying f*** WHERE he joined up!He fought for a country he believed in!!!Makes you wonder if it's all worth it,Fighting & dieing for a worthless,currupt,lying government who care's little for the fighting man/woman & even less for those that are in need!!
My Dad joined the RAF in the WWII in Belfast,He did'nt claim his war pension on the ground's that there are worse off than him & he did'nt need it.(Even tho we told him to claim it)
The reason that the government severely limits the liability on pensions to non-UK residents is complicated in detail but simple in purpose. Most of the men this guy served alongside were Colonial and dominion troops (as it would appear from the article he was). Their numbers, especially in the British Indian Army, probably run to millions. Wonder what the response would be if all those ex-Empire troops or their surviving relatives suddenly demanded pensions from the UK now...
 
#18
This current regime has no concept of tradition, loyalty or history :!: . Thats why we see so many things we treasure being destroyed, ignored and forgotten around us. :evil:
 
#19
When I joined up I swore an oath of fealty to Her Majesty, her hiers, goverment and officers set over me.

Duty works both ways, they ( the goverment acting on Her Majesty's behalf) have a duty to look after someone injured in carrying out their commands, protecting their interests and serving them in defence of the country. Alliegance was offered by this gentleman and on His Majesty's behalf excepted, This gentleman kept to his promise, his oath, his swearing of alliegance and didn't waiver in the face of the enemy, a piece of tin to place on his jacket how ever highly valued as a decoration is not thanks enough.

Maybe we should have a Arrse role of honour and shame? Honour for Gentlman like this one and then a shame list showing who refused them help and how many times?


(sorry if this rambles or the grammar is really bad, perscription drugs kicked in long ago :) )


J
 
#20
I note, by the way, that the 'Mission Statement' (spit) of the Veterans Agency is:

"To deliver modern, high-quality, customer-focused services to war disablement pensioners, war widows, their dependants and carers, and other veterans and in-Service beneficiaries of AFCS;
and to deliver them consistently, efficiently and effectively in recognition of the many extraordinary and unique personal sacrifices made in defence of the nation
."

I wish I knew what "modern, high-quality, customer-focused services" were. Outside of a white-tile university's sociology department handbook of b*s*, that is.

Sometimes I get angry. Maybe I'm being unfair to these suits, but I can do without the sort of crap our Elected Administrators hand out to the population of the UK in return for their MP's and Minister's salaries. That man gave; they take. Maybe their minds are more focussed towards the homosexuals, the ethnic minorities and the obscenely powerful religious lobbies; maybe they should be a little more concerned about the cowed majority. The 'Veteran's' Agency is an arm of the MoD, and bears as much responsibility for this sort of slack-jawed cretinism as does Straw, Blair and the rest of that noxious gang.

It's good to talk.
 

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