Direct entry Officer - too old?

#1
Hi all

Wonder if you can help me please? For a variety of reasons I'm interested in joining the TA as a Direct Entry Officer, but I'm wondering if I am already too late.... I will turn 35 in April, and probably need a couple of months to get my fitness up to a level where I'd be happy to apply. All the bumf I can find on the Army website says that the age cut off for officers is 34 years and 11 months (which would clearly be fine), but it's unclear at which point this cut off applies - whether it's acceptance onto initial training, or for all training to be completed. Is there anyone here who can shed any light please?

Very grateful for any help given
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#2
Im not 100% sure if its on arrival at Sandhurst or passing out, either way it looks like you've missed the boat as you are talking between 12 and 18 months of pre-training before you turn up at RMAS. If you're not even in the TA yet I'd expect it to be toward the 18 month end of the spectrum.

There may be exceptions for specialist roles. Your best bet is to contact the unit in question and get it from the horses mouth.
 

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#3
If you are over the official age the unit you're looking to join can apply for a waiver to get you on an AOSB if they think you've got the potential. As above, best to speak directly to the people that you're looking to join.
 
#4
The age limit is 35 on being appointed to your commission (i.e. passing out of RMAS) Para 2 to Annex C to Chapter 4 TA Regs. There are exceptions to this rule for certain specialists Sigs, Chaplains, Doctors etc spring to mind.
 
#5
Thanks for the responses all, I'll have a chat with the lot I'm interested in joining and see if they would be interested in applying a bit of flex...

Appreciate the help anyway :)
 
#6
Thanks for the responses all, I'll have a chat with the lot I'm interested in joining and see if they would be interested in applying a bit of flex...

Appreciate the help anyway :)
If not don't discount soldier entry. Much greater likelyhood of deploying in trade, more hands on and less sitting in an office producing paperwork. Initially anyway.
 
#7
If not don't discount soldier entry. Much greater likelyhood of deploying in trade, more hands on and less sitting in an office producing paperwork. Initially anyway.
Hi Sundance,

I wouldn't discount it, but I suspect the chances of my employer being supportive would decrease fairly substantially which could be problematic. The officer bit I could probably position as having transferable skills into my current role, whereas soldier entry would be more difficult to sell. I would definitely want to deploy, but I also feel that they should get something out of this as well as me. Hope that makes sense?
 
#8
Hi Sundance,

I wouldn't discount it, but I suspect the chances of my employer being supportive would decrease fairly substantially which could be problematic. The officer bit I could probably position as having transferable skills into my current role, whereas soldier entry would be more difficult to sell. I would definitely want to deploy, but I also feel that they should get something out of this as well as me. Hope that makes sense?
With respect, i find that statement a little insulting. It seems you are inferring that the benefits to your employer of having a ta officer on the books are preferable to having ta ORs, to the extent that it is officer or nothing, as they won't get anything out of it otherwise, ergo only an officer is worth anything to anyone! Believe me, there are some shocking officers out there, and plenty without a commission who do a bloody good job and are good leaders and man managers, etc...
 
#9
With respect, i find that statement a little insulting. It seems you are inferring that the benefits to your employer of having a ta officer on the books are preferable to having ta ORs, to the extent that it is officer or nothing, as they won't get anything out of it otherwise, ergo only an officer is worth anything to anyone! Believe me, there are some shocking officers out there, and plenty without a commission who do a bloody good job and are good leaders and man managers, etc...
Hi,

Sorry, not my intention to be insulting at all. I absolutely agree with everything you've said - and as I've said previously, I have no issue with soldier entry. But perhaps I should explain further - my current job is as a (fairly) senior manager in a decent sized organisation where there is no one else involved in the TA. To get my employer on board I will have to demonstrate the benefits of me signing up to them - I can put this across as a management personal development thing, that's all I meant. No intention to denigrate ORs at all. (Examples of bad managers/officers and strong employees/ORs are not unique to the army either!!)

If you have any ideas about how I could put across the benefits of me going through the soldier entry route I'd be interested to hear them though - may come in useful!
 
#10
Hi,

Sorry, not my intention to be insulting at all. I absolutely agree with everything you've said - and as I've said previously, I have no issue with soldier entry. But perhaps I should explain further - my current job is as a (fairly) senior manager in a decent sized organisation where there is no one else involved in the TA. To get my employer on board I will have to demonstrate the benefits of me signing up to them - I can put this across as a management personal development thing, that's all I meant. No intention to denigrate ORs at all. (Examples of bad managers/officers and strong employees/ORs are not unique to the army either!!)

If you have any ideas about how I could put across the benefits of me going through the soldier entry route I'd be interested to hear them though - may come in useful!
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#11
Hi,

Sorry, not my intention to be insulting at all. ...unique to the army either!!)

If you have any ideas about how I could put across the benefits of me going through the soldier entry route I'd be interested to hear them though - may come in useful!
Sorry - I did a lengthy reply yesterday on my phone, which then lost the connection and my reply - I couldn't be arsed to do it all again, so I waited until now when I'm on the laptop.
No probs re the comment I made - I was feeling a bit oversensitive - probably because your post reminded me of the disappointment I felt when I realised I was too old for a direct entry commission too! I spent a decade in the ranks as a TA soldier and loved it, but wanted to try the challenge of being an officer - I am going to go back in as a private again, but trying a different trade ( I was Infantry - gonna try RLC).
Anyway, I found my employer to be very supportive, even though I am now supposedly a professional person (a teacher). Basically I did it like this:
I booked an appointment to see the Head, and in the interim, sent him any relevant documents from SABRE, plus the FR2020 report, which someone has posted a link to on the 'replace regulars with STABs' thread.
I read through everything carfefully, especially the bit in the report about future plans to gain employer support (the kitemark, etc...)
I found out the likelyhood and length of deployments with the unit I am interested in joining.
I went to he meeting with all the correct facts and figures re time off, and costs to the school.
I also had a list of benefits to the school (kudos of supporting the forces, my improved fitness, which gives better attendance, more focus and drive, etc...)
I Hope this helps.
 
#13
Sorry - I did a lengthy reply yesterday on my phone, which then lost the connection and my reply - I couldn't be arsed to do it all again, so I waited until now when I'm on the laptop.
No probs re the comment I made - I was feeling a bit oversensitive - probably because your post reminded me of the disappointment I felt when I realised I was too old for a direct entry commission too! I spent a decade in the ranks as a TA soldier and loved it, but wanted to try the challenge of being an officer - I am going to go back in as a private again, but trying a different trade ( I was Infantry - gonna try RLC).
Anyway, I found my employer to be very supportive, even though I am now supposedly a professional person (a teacher). Basically I did it like this:
I booked an appointment to see the Head, and in the interim, sent him any relevant documents from SABRE, plus the FR2020 report, which someone has posted a link to on the 'replace regulars with STABs' thread.
I read through everything carfefully, especially the bit in the report about future plans to gain employer support (the kitemark, etc...)
I found out the likelyhood and length of deployments with the unit I am interested in joining.
I went to he meeting with all the correct facts and figures re time off, and costs to the school.
I also had a list of benefits to the school (kudos of supporting the forces, my improved fitness, which gives better attendance, more focus and drive, etc...)
I Hope this helps.
Hi - i have found this thread really interesting and very relevant to my situation. I am a teacher (assistant head) and i have just enlisted with 4 Yorks as a private. I am currently just into my phase 1 training but at 40 i appear to be way too old to become an officer. Im going to speak to my unit anyway as i believe my experience of being a school leader could well be a valuable asset? It's worth an ask i reckon.

On a different note - how do you find the TA/teaching combo works for you?

Cheers
 
#14
40 as a Inf PO? Way too old. The Army wants some return out of its investment and you wouldnt be much use as a YO (no offence ment, but when your knees are crying with pain and the young whippersnappers in your platoon are bearly breaking a sweat you will know what I meant)

The oldest I have ever known was a 39year old RMP Cpl who then commissioned. He already had a tour under his belt as well. Sandhurst will have a lot to say in you waiver as well, and trust me, they will say no.

Sorry.
 
#15
Ideal thread for me to find. I've been down to my unit of choice this evening to find out the age limit for officer entry is 26 in line with the regs, so seems to change on a unit to unit basis.
 
#16
40 as a Inf PO? Way too old. The Army wants some return out of its investment and you wouldnt be much use as a YO (no offence ment, but when your knees are crying with pain and the young whippersnappers in your platoon are bearly breaking a sweat you will know what I meant)

The oldest I have ever known was a 39year old RMP Cpl who then commissioned. He already had a tour under his belt as well. Sandhurst will have a lot to say in you waiver as well, and trust me, they will say no.

Sorry.
No offence taken and is make you dead right. I am too old - ill crack in as an OR and enjoy it. However, as for young uns mullering me fitness wise..... no effin chance. Got my 1.5 run time well below 9 mins and they don't get anywhere near in the press ups and sit ups etc. Good times.
 
#17
Ideal thread for me to find. I've been down to my unit of choice this evening to find out the age limit for officer entry is 26 in line with the regs, so seems to change on a unit to unit basis.
well, despite the debacle that was the latest recruiting campaign it appears to have worked and potential recruits are bashing the doors down. If anyone has the same issues as the OP i.e. having to persuade their employer that they willl add value as an OR, may I suggest that this may have something to do with the unit they intend to join?
Go on, you know your bosses will love having an INT Corps soldier on staff.
 
#18
Due to my age , experience and transferable skills of working in a command/management role in the emergency services I've also been interested in joining as an officer. My sticking point is that years ago I didn't qualify with A levels or a degree, I'm confident this role would be more appropriate for me but can someone clarify if there is a route that can be taken from soldier to officer ?, is it a case of applying for interview and then the board ? Thanks in advance
 
#19
Well the officer from soldier route has now changed in recent years, gone is the LE (Late Entry) route, now soldiers can commission but require the equivalent education as direct entry officers. As you say you are management in emergency services, I know in the Fire Service a lot of the senior managers get a GFire qualification. Something like that can class as a degree level qualification, but you will need the basics of GCSE level Maths, English and an 'oligy. Best bet is to contact the recruiting team of the unit that you are interested in joining as a soldier/officer and see what they say.