Dilemma - what should I do?

#61
No, It won't. In exceptional circumstances the Commanding Officer of a unit can apply for exemption to the Medical Employment Standards in order to continue to employ an individual. This normally only applies to continuation of employment of an individual who has shown they are fully trained, competent and most importantly it would be in the interests of the service to do so.

Very occasionally it could apply to an individual prior to engagement who has some exceptional talent or skill that the Army just couldn't do without - I have seen it applied to specialist consultants who we headhunted to fill a specific clinical role, who we otherwise would not have been able to recruit - and in most cases they were non-deployable or limited deployable anyway because we needed the expertise in a base hospital role or as a Defence Consultant Advisor.

In most cases the CO would have to demonstrate to a medical board that you are the only applicant or individual that could fulfil that role and the risk of not employing you would outweigh the risk of derogating from the MES.
I may have misunderstood his earlier post - when he said "satisfy [them] of my colour competence" I kind of assumed he meant passing the colour blindness test.

OP - have you actually taken the colour blindness test as part of the application process for the INT CORPS?
 
#62
I may have misunderstood his earlier post - when he said "satisfy [them] of my colour competence" I kind of assumed he meant passing the colour blindness test.

OP - have you actually taken the colour blindness test as part of the application process for the INT CORPS?
No but I have taken an Ishihara test at my opticians as a routine part of the medical background check and failed. It came as a complete shock as its never affected my colour perception before (to my knowledge) in my life. From what I see in the forums this exact test is what the army will test me on so I know for sure I will fail again unless I just got punked or given some far more difficult test or something.
 
#63
No but I have taken an Ishihara test at my opticians as a routine part of the medical background check and failed. It came as a complete shock as its never affected my colour perception before (to my knowledge) in my life. From what I see in the forums this exact test is what the army will test me on so I know for sure I will fail again unless I just got punked or given some far more difficult test or something.
The test is pretty much exactly the same - The standard tests and plates used by the MOD are the same ones used by the Merchant Marine, CAA etc. so if you have failed them you are likely to fail the Army entry CP test.

You mentioned that you failed the Ishihara test plates but passed the lamp test - If you read the links I sent you you will see that that doesn't necessarily make you CP4 (as you mentioned), which may open up more opportunities.

Therefore, it may be worth trying it again as carried out by the MOD - although bear in mind that most AR units, will probably use a local opticians to get the test done (unless the test is now done at a Recruit Assessment Centre (or whatever they are called these days) so the result is likely to be the same - CP doesn't usually change throughout your lifetime.
 
#64
I may have misunderstood his earlier post - when he said "satisfy [them] of my colour competence" I kind of assumed he meant passing the colour blindness test.

OP - have you actually taken the colour blindness test as part of the application process for the INT CORPS?
Unless I misunderstood I thought he was wibbling about differentiating lines on a map as his "colour competence" - I have never heard it called that before, and besides it is irrelevant for entry - the standard tests are standard, for a reason, and are not deviated from for some Green Slime map crayoning.
 

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#67
No but I have taken an Ishihara test at my opticians as a routine part of the medical background check and failed. It came as a complete shock as its never affected my colour perception before (to my knowledge) in my life. From what I see in the forums this exact test is what the army will test me on so I know for sure I will fail again unless I just got punked or given some far more difficult test or something.
A GP from our family practice (mother had worked for the head of practice during the war) was medical officer for our local TA unit. He did me an Ishihara and I failed. Referred me to the local eye hospital who redid the test. I passed and did seven happy years in a Recce regiment until I got bored and went RAPC.

Not mentioning the 88 days' pensionable service with RMP until I told them where they might shove their truncheons and the sun didn't shine, flounced and rejoined with a guarantee I'd not be pressured to think again this time about a rôle better suited to my education.
 
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#69
To give some slightly more serious advice than I gave above, the Int Corps standards are high. Other ranks are very often educated to degree level and I have met even junior soldiers with second degrees. They're in a business where getting your case across clearly and accurately matters. If "writing and an English literature essay" isn't your thing then you might be looking in the wrong place. Work by even Int Corps juniors gets read by senior people: dodgy English will make them regard the assessment in the same light. Lecture over.

There are plenty of other jobs in the army, so do look wider. Finally, don't try to cheat the tests as truth will out, and quite often in circumstances that aren't funny
Dunno about that - they let me and @ashford_old_school in and they even let @Glad_its_all_over transfer over. Joking aside there are plenty of other jobs to look at so good hunting.
 
#70
Just curious, but why would you want to be DV? If you are already working for the MOD and you need it, you will go through the process, ditto if you are a Defence contractor, otherwise it seems to be a rather useless "qualification".
 
#71
I understand exactly what DV entails or I wouldn’t have mentioned it. I never said I would cheat, or whether it is even possible to do so. There are ‘aides’ such as spectacles which are allowed in the test which could assist the person in certain circumstances.


It is a little harsh to question my integrity or imply its already ‘curtains’ for me when you don’t know the slightest thing about me.

I never said I wanted to cheat...I am merely mentioning the open secret in the army that the corps sargents and local units are pretty open and blazè about lying or witholding info (with regards to medical information), and if you slip through then bravo... tell me im lying or I am wrong. There is no way to cheat the eye test unless you had it in advance and memorized it perfectly.

What I want is to be accepted and not be sidelined for a redundant test which doesnt seem to factor into anybody’s ability to actually perform the role it would appear.

As for the last part, I assume you don’t understand the CP2-CP4 scale.
I would reverse the question: find out how the Army scores you in terms of colour vision and then the army will tell you the roles open to you.
I would not waste any energy on discussion of options until that's happened.
That's good advice btw.
 
#72
@Chadchadson1994 I have read this thread, your posts and replies and I have formed an opinion of your character which I believe to be accurate. In respect of this assessment I would suggest that you refrain from applying to join the Intelligence Corps and instead consider becoming a Special Constable.

Enquiry dealt with. Thread can now be closed.
 
#73
A GP from our family practice (mother had worked for the head of practice during the war) was medical officer for our local TA unit. He did me an Ishihara and I failed. Referred me to the local eye hospital who redid the test. I passed and did seven happy years in a Recce regiment until I got bored and went RAPC.

Not mentioning the 88 days' pensionable service with RMP until I told them where they might shove their truncheons and the sun didn't shine, flounced and rejoined with a guarantee I'd not be pressured to think again this time about a rôle better suited to my education.
What? How? How did you fail once then pass the same test after?
 
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#74
@Chadchadson1994 I have read this thread, your posts and replies and I have formed an opinion of your character which I believe to be accurate. In respect of this assessment I would suggest that you refrain from applying to join the Intelligence Corps and instead consider becoming a Special Constable.

Enquiry dealt with. Thread can now be closed.
Love how some of you can assess a person through 5 or 6 posts on an internet forum full of trolls haha. Thanks man you’ve made my day
 

AlienFTM

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#75
What? How? How did you fail once then pass the same test after?
As I said, the GP knew me mum. I may have been marginal. It was nearly 44 years ago.

I believe there are others who have questioned the accuracy of an Ishihari. But I may very well be wrong. Tell them you want a second opinion. Worst that can happen, you fail again.
 
#76
As I said, the GP knew me mum. I may have been marginal. It was nearly 44 years ago.

I believe there are others who have questioned the accuracy of an Ishihari. But I may very well be wrong. Tell them you want a second opinion. Worst that can happen, you fail again.
Thanks so much. Btw do you feel in your experience that colour blindness would rly jepardise an INT soldiers ability to do the job?
 
#77
Thanks so much. Btw do you feel in your experience that colour blindness would rly jepardise an INT soldiers ability to do the job?
He's not the one employing you.

Rly.....

You were doing so well.
 

AlienFTM

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#78
Thanks so much. Btw do you feel in your experience that colour blindness would rly jepardise an INT soldiers ability to do the job?
Like Slug says, it's not me going to be me making the decision. Four decades on I think it's safe to say that the past is a foreign country; they do things differently there.
 
#79
Like Slug says, it's not me going to be me making the decision. Four decades on I think message to day that the past is a foreign country; they do things differently there.
Yeah I appreciate that, I was just asking from your personal experience/opinion. Naturally it was some time ago and as you rightly say would have no baring in my situation.
 
#80
Yeah I appreciate that, I was just asking from your personal experience/opinion. Naturally it was some time ago and as you rightly say would have no baring in my situation.
You know, in your position, I rather think I'd work on the assumption that the Int Corps has a pretty good idea of what it requires from its soldiers, in terms of aptitude, ability and physical characteristics and that they'll select for those. It looks as if you're failing to make it through a gate, which is a shame if you'd really set your heart on becoming an Army Reserve Intelligence Corps soldier, but there are other options which have different criteria.
 

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