DII

#1
Does anybody know how much, roughly, DII is costing the MoD? I asked the question when I was being 'trained' and it was neatly side stepped.

How much will it save the taxpayer in the long run?
 
#2
That would be interesting to know. :wink:

The training is excellent - only if you are still back using typewriters or think that Spectrum computers are the future......(betcha some biddy in MoD must be) other than that - a whole day wasted when the necessary info could have been given in a hour (if that) or in a pamphlet. :?
 

OldSnowy

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#3
This would be an ideal question to asl under the new Freedom of Information Act. Be careful how you ask it, though. I advise asking a short series of linked, precise questions, and e-mailing them to the link shown on the MoD website. I know who will have to answer them, and you WILL get a sensible answer :D

Edited - oh yes, under FOIA you don'e even have to give a name, just a contact. So for example Blondebint or MightyDoNut would be perfectly acceptable names (although maybe not so acceptable as people) and a response would stil have to be made within the statutory 20 working days.
 
#4
Trouble is it will give some poor benighted SO2 or SO3 hours of extra work which he/she could well do without.

I am in the same boat and I would be mighty pissed off to get a request like that!!!

Wonder if anybody out there can give anidea without me having to mither some poor Offr and double his workload?
 
#5
Afaik DII hasn't been awarded yet. At least 2 consortia are still trying to work out what to bid, one gave up trying and a 4th was rejected early on.

The MoD doesn't know how many computers it has, what software they run, or even where they all are. Just that they want someone else to be responsible for the lot, change them all to be one modern compatible network and ensure its reliable. Preferably for 50 pence or less.

I think the figure of £4 BILLION has been mentioned. Enough to have companies salivating at the possibly profits, and horrified at the complexity. That initial cost is more than MoD wants to spend on the Navy's two new Aircraft Carriers, but it gets less publicity since DII is an invisible support system and doesn't involve lots of jobs in Grasping Gordon's home constituency.

Given the government's track record of complex computer systems it will no doubt cost 10 times as much and arrive closer to the 22nd Century than the 20th. So once all the people in comfy chairs at MoD HOME have new PCs expect the cash to dry up for everybody else.
 

Mr_Fingerz

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#7
Just pray that EDS, Fujitsu, or Capita don't get involved. I could buy a network for what F****** charge my brother's lot for one computer/mouse/moniter/keyboard.

Apparently, it's all to do with networks costs.
 
#8
I already have DII sitting on my desk and am looking forward to turning it on for the first time tomorrow.

Fujitsu are involved - at least I assume thay are as I was given freebie with Fujitsu all over it and the girl who gave us the presentation works for them.

Oddly enough, I was issued with my very sexy new IT kit the day the Govt chose to announce the loss of 4 Inf Bns. I wonder whether the tax payer would get more benefit from retaining the Bns and not issuing staff offices more IT kit, to marginally improve their output of (generally) nefarious claptrap?

Ques: will DII help us kill the queen's enemies or improve the efficiency of the MoD by a significant measure? I was also told in the brief that it would save money in the long term - my suspended disbelief came crashing down at that stage! :twisted:
 

Mr_Fingerz

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#9
tattybadger said:
Ques: will DII help us kill the queen's enemies or improve the efficiency of the MoD by a significant measure? quote]

This is one (1) iota............, this is another iota........., and this is a third iota.






Notice any change?

Thought not.

(edited for spalling - sh*t do you think any one noticed?)
 
#10
The MoD doesn't know how many computers it has, what software they run, or even where they all are. Just that they want someone else to be responsible for the lot, change them all to be one modern compatible network and ensure its reliable. Preferably for 50 pence or less.

I have had DII for about 6 months now!!!! If anyone at the MOD wants too know what Ive got and where it is, tough. You should have signed it out on a 1033. Now fcuk off its mine.
 
#12
IT_Rogue said:
The MoD doesn't know how many computers it has, what software they run, or even where they all are. Just that they want someone else to be responsible for the lot, change them all to be one modern compatible network and ensure its reliable. Preferably for 50 pence or less.

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Empire said:
I have had DII for about 6 months now!!!! If anyone at the MOD wants too know what Ive got and where it is, tough. You should have signed it out on a 1033. Now fcuk off its mine.
Maybe these two point are related?

Was there not a report in the media about the government misplacing lots of laptops?
 
#13
Only ones with the estimate and plans for the invasion of Saudi or the movements of Idi Amin on his next visit here. They were all misplaced in a pub near Clapham by RAF offrs - apparently.
 
#16
Been on DII since Jan 2003. Lot of teething problems to bgin with but helps me do my job much better than when not on DII.

What it also does is reduces work for clerical and admin staff due to much business being done on net.

If you look around you may well see some areas being re-modelled (cut) in this area in the near future.

Not sure if DII is better or worse than original systems but know that I can see info across DII quite easy but when crossing into other systems it is not so easy eg, DAWN, CHOTS, TAFMIS etc.

A singlr system has to be the way to go for the future but it will obvioulsy cost in the short term and not sure of the long term costs compared to what it will replace.

In our area Fujitsu were involved in initial setting up with floor walkers etc but EDS do day to day IT support I believe.

My only complaint is that the X400 system is usually down and this is the means whereby I should be able to deal with contractors at restricted level. This results in using veiled language when dealing thru' ordinary internet means.
 
#17
DII great! Can check arrse, ebay and some porn sites all in work time. Of course I never said that, and you'd have to prove it in court. :lol:
 
#18
Got my DII today - couldn't get this site as it 'contains offensive materiel'!!!! Shiite - how am I to pass my days till the grand exit strategy takes place?
 
#19
tattybadger said:
Got my DII today - couldn't get this site as it 'contains offensive materiel'!!!! Shiite - how am I to pass my days till the grand exit strategy takes place?
Well you can get it via ours.......so I've been told, not that I have abused it for anything like that or stuff and things. :oops:
 
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