Digging up the Past, and the cost, is it worth it?

#1
The state of the UK economy is fairly shite at the moment, we have investigations that is costing the tax payer perhaps millions on past happenings
Jimmy savile.....the cnuts dead, if victims could not be bothered years ago to come forward why now? and should we pay for these investigations.

Hillsborough....How long and how much is it going to cost the taxpayer?

Finucane.......who really gives a shite! and will this open up the flood gates to any "paddy" who feels that he/she has been agreived

I think there should be a 6 year cut off period, if its not sorted by then, then it becomes a non issue!
 
#3
Bloody Sunday investigation part 22, dont bother.

A combination of ambulance chasing lawyers and self important clebs have made the Levvinson report meaningless, nothing has ever been achieved by these inquiries.

Pointless waste of time and money.
 
#7
Mixed feelings on this one.

Savile? Yes, he's dead but recently so and it's taken his death for many to have the courage to speak. I think we could do with fewer column inches of sensationalist re-reporting but given that the investigation has led to charges against some of his still-living cohorts, who can be punished for what they did... valid.

Hillsborough? Put joshing about Scousers being grief whores aside for a moment. A wrong was done and there was huge police/official complicity in a cover-up. It's happened now because it's taken this long for officialdom to bend to pressure. So a long time coming but... valid.

Bloody Sunday, etc? Political appeasement which isn't matched by anything coming back in the other direction. Valid? Possibly - politically. But morally? Without a quid pro quo, then by **** it sticks in the throat.

Edited to add:

Somethiing to consider: Nazi war criminals, or others involved in genocide/war crimes past? Do you not bother 'because it was a long time ago and it doesn't matter now'? Some issues are more emotive than others, just as some are more serious than others. Hence why I don't think we can have blanket rules.
 
#9
I don't think you are being specific enough

Are you saying that if a child molester (prolific or otherwise) gets away with it for 6 years after the last offence, they are home and dry ?

Or if there is an institutional cover-up or mishandling of something (1950's nuclear testing or Gulf War syndrome) that it isn't worth following through or putting things right ? Despite the fact that those affected have been campaigning since day one ?

I don't include Savile or Hillsborough or Bloody Sunday though - there I'm in total agreement with you. However, I don't think one simple law will cover everything properly.
 
#11
Hillsborough....How long and how much is it going to cost the taxpayer?

Finucane.......who really gives a shite! and will this open up the flood gates to any "paddy" who feels that he/she has been agreived

I think there should be a 6 year cut off period, if its not sorted by then, then it becomes a non issue!
It would be dead and buried, but for the conspiracy by the guilty to conceal what had happened.

They told big fibs the first time around, so it's still going on. Hillsborough, for example, the bereaved families had no grounds to sue the police because the police hadn't been negligent, according to the accounts by the police. Now it seems they do have grounds, the 6 year clock will start.

The 6 years only applies to civil actions, suing for damages. Criminal acts don't have time limit in the Uk, so sex offenders are being convicted for offences committed 20+ years ago, before DNA analysis was discovered.
 
#12
At what point does a investigation become pointless due to the time passed?

There can be NO fresh evidence coming in from Hillsboro or Bloody Sunday participants.

Rehashing old ground, until the 'right' judgement is met is just silly.
 
#13
At what point does a investigation become pointless due to the time passed?

There can be NO fresh evidence coming in from Hillsboro or Bloody Sunday participants.

Rehashing old ground, until the 'right' judgement is met is just silly.
Correct. How can an eyewitness to incidents 20 years ago add anything other than alleged memories and half truths.
 
#14
It isn't just old decisions. The police ombudsman for the PSNI has announced they are re-doing the investigation his predecessor did on the Loughinisland murders because the families aren't happy with his findings. That investigation was only completed last year.
 
#15
It isn't just old decisions. The police ombudsman for the PSNI has announced they are re-doing the investigation his predecessor did on the Loughinisland murders because the families aren't happy with his findings. That investigation was only completed last year.
I don't know much about the case you mention but I think there needs to be a review as to why the family isn't happy with the findings first. They may have an agenda or there may have been genuine mistakes or omissions in the original report. I also think that those involved in the original report should pay back their salaries if they have been found to have produced crap.
 
#16
I don't know much about the case you mention but I think there needs to be a review as to why the family isn't happy with the findings first. They may have an agenda or there may have been genuine mistakes or omissions in the original report. I also think that those involved in the original report should pay back their salaries if they have been found to have produced crap.
Since it's a UVF attack on a Catholic bar do you need to investigate why the familiy is not happy....?
 
#17
I think the whole "inquiry" business has become corrupt..

Yes, there is a need for incidents to be investigated, and individuals and organisations prosecuted where necessisary, however this whole buisness has become a politicised, money spinning farce.

We have/had a perfectly good system of coroners courts which dealt with these problems, however for the past fifty years these institutions, because of public funding, been allowed to grow far beyond the point where they can deal effectivly with the problem. Coroners have, on many occasions, gone off on self serving, politically influenced benders, corrupting the whole system..

We need to learn the hard lesson that throwing money and resources at a sticky problem does not solve it, in fact in many cases it is made worse. Selecting and empowering the right person to seek out the truth does work, but the results can be embarrassing. It is a circle that needs to be squared..

Shit happens, and reality is often inconvenient. What we need to do, if we really want to find out the truth, is to take the money out of the equation. Offering compensation in situations where an honest mistake or snap judgement has been made simply compounds the problem..

Both Bloody Sunday and Hillsborough were situations where decisions were made, in reasonably good faith, which turned out not to have been the best. People died, but this was never the intention.. In'shala - injured people need to be treated, and the dead mourned, but that should be it...

There are however situations where there is clear evidence of deliberate wrong doing.. These need to be investigated, and there needs to be consequences. History would seem to suggest that this is not served by a legal/political jamboree. Limits to time and most important funds need to be imposed to ensure that justice is swift and effective...
 
#20
I don't think you are being specific enoughAre you saying that if a child molester (prolific or otherwise) gets away with it for 6 years after the last offence, they are home and dry ?Or if there is an institutional cover-up or mishandling of something (1950's nuclear testing or Gulf War syndrome) that it isn't worth following through or putting things right ? Despite the fact that those affected have been campaigning since day one ?I don't include Savile or Hillsborough or Bloody Sunday though - there I'm in total agreement with you. However, I don't think one simple law will cover everything properly.
And what would your response be to those who dismiss the possibility of Gulf War Syndrome existing and think continued investigation is a waste of money ^~
 
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