Did you feel safer?

ugly

LE
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#2
Not sure about in BAOR but I certainly wasnt bothered by terrorists in the UK and thats before armed plod at every opportunity, cctv, dna database and ID cards.
Admittedly I'm not bothered by scumbags now but I get a feeling that anti terror laws are primarily to suppress opposition against the govt in any form!
 
#3
Interesting to learn that the two TA units I was in were both earmarked for Home Defence. Why did we spend so much time on AFV recognition? ;)
 
#4
ugly said:
Not sure about in BAOR but I certainly wasnt bothered by terrorists in the UK and thats before armed plod at every opportunity, cctv, dna database and ID cards.
Admittedly I'm not bothered by scumbags now but I get a feeling that anti terror laws are primarily to suppress opposition against the govt in any form!
I agree entirely with that. Today its the government that is the biggest threat to liberty rather than terrorists or other nation states.

It's amazing how much freedom has been taken away in 20 years by those scum bags in the name of protecting us.
 

ugly

LE
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#5
But we digress, possibly because that link takes so long to load and longer to read!
 
#6
I remember some tourist at Paddinton station in the mid 80's complaining there were no rubbish bins. I explained it was because the IRA were putting bombs in them!
Now I catch myself looking suspiciously at Asian youths with rucksacks trying to work out if they're sweating and looking nervous.
I certainly feel less safe in the smoke these days, but then I am now only an occasional visitor.
 
#7
bigpod said:
Came across the following link this morning.

http://orbat.com/site/history/historical/nato/oob1989.html

Looking at BAOR section, did you feel safer with much bigger army, but threat of MAD, holding back 3rd shock army, etc.

I think I did.
As a youngster I assumed that the Army had always been that size, so anything less must (by definition) leave us dangerously exposed. This may not be true, if our forces match the threat.

My mate Joey had liver problems because his mother had tried to get rid of him by drinking a bottle of gin and having a hot bath. It was 1962, and the Cuban missile crisis was going to be the end of the world.

As a spotty 17-year-old I was reasonably sure that we were all going to die in a nuclear war, so the future didn't really matter. I was absolutely positive about this when the USSR invaded Afghanistan. Then I joined the TA, and was reasonably clear that, as a junior officer, my chances of surviving any war were somewhere between nowhere and not much.

Imagine my shock when I woke up one day, 40 years old, in the 21st century, having to make plans for the rest of my life.

Right now there are threats, but we're smart enough to deal with them, most of the time. I feel safer than I think I have ever done.
 
#8
I certainly feel much safer today.

NATO v WP, leading inevitably to instant sunshine all round, no longer a possibility.

With 'peace' in NI I'm no longer a specific terrorist target by dint of occupation or workplace.

A different terrorist threat still exists, but if that happens it is because I'm in the wrong place at the wrong time.

All the rest - immigration, the rising tide of Islam, street crime, house prices, etc, etc. Not worried, reading history makes you fairly relaxed - the 'good old days' never existed and today it isn't nearly as bad as the Daily Mail makes out.

OaC
 
#9
People, we have to have a bogeyman.

Once it was Boney, then "The Hun" swiftly followed by the Red Menace.

Today it's international terrorism and the climate.

That's how non-totalitarian governments control an otherwise too free and dangerously well-informed populace.
 
#10
EX_STAB said:
Interesting to learn that the two TA units I was in were both earmarked for Home Defence. Why did we spend so much time on AFV recognition? ;)
Could have sworn 1/51 was part of 11 Armd. I'm sure our anti tankers were doing the same AFV as you were!!
 
#11
ugly said:
I get a feeling that anti terror laws are primarily to suppress opposition against the govt in any form!
Let's face it, Hungerford and Dunblane were a God-send for the Authorities. They had been looking for an opportunity to remove as many firearms from the public for ages
 

ugly

LE
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#12
In that case Leon Brittain was the only sensible Home secretary!
 
#13
I didn't feel safe when those SACEUR "Active Edges" (i.e. the ones no-one below Corps knew about in advance) got called at 0200, with the air raid sirens going off all over N Germany......
 
#14
Jagythistle said:
EX_STAB said:
Interesting to learn that the two TA units I was in were both earmarked for Home Defence. Why did we spend so much time on AFV recognition? ;)
Could have sworn 1/51 was part of 11 Armd. I'm sure our anti tankers were doing the same AFV as you were!!
I should say so, we were your A/T platoon! ;)
 
#16
"c) 1st Bn, The Royal Anglican Regiment: 71 FV432, 4 Sultan, 7 Ferret, 8 Scimitar, 8 81mm Mortar, 24 Milan"

I see the Anglicans were alive and kicking in 1988.......
 
#17
IT_Guy said:
"c) 1st Bn, The Royal Anglican Regiment: 71 FV432, 4 Sultan, 7 Ferret, 8 Scimitar, 8 81mm Mortar, 24 Milan"

I see the Anglicans were alive and kicking in 1988.......
Wah alert.

I think the Anglicans have been alive and kicking since Henry VIII. Not as a Regiment/battalions though.

/Wah alert.


In response to the opening post I feel both more and less secure now depending upon context.

Internationally I feel more secure in the way that MAD was possible to result in no-notice nuclear war between opponents with massive nuclear arsenals. Yet in a different way the World is far less stable.

Domestically I again feel both more and less secure. We had far more terrorist attacks back in the 70's-80's. But again back then they where being perpetrated by people that where far more rational and far more likely to give a warning.

Guess it is all swings and roundabouts. Wow! What a fence sitter I have become.
 
#19
BootsDMS said:
Just to point out its Royal Anglians,not anglicans :roll:
Yes, you see thats the poin...... *sigh*



Never mind.
 

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