Did barbed-wire separate West Berlin from East Germany?

I know the Wall separated East and West Berlin, but what was the dividing materials separating the other areas of West Berlin from the DDR? I ask because of the following map of Berlin produced by the West Berlin Senate in 1962. It shows the brickwork that divided the city and barbed wire separating West Berlin from the rest of East Germany. I had never thought about it until saw this map

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I know the Wall separated East and West Berlin, but what was the dividing materials separating the other areas of West Berlin from the DDR? I ask because of the following map of Berlin produced by the West Berlin Senate in 1962. It shows the brickwork that divided the city and barbed wire separating West Berlin from the rest of East Germany. I had never thought about it until saw this map

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The Wall eventually surrounded West Berlin.
 
I know the Wall separated East and West Berlin, but what was the dividing materials separating the other areas of West Berlin from the DDR? I ask because of the following map of Berlin produced by the West Berlin Senate in 1962. It shows the brickwork that divided the city and barbed wire separating West Berlin from the rest of East Germany. I had never thought about it until saw this map

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My understanding it that the West Berlin enclave was eventually surrounded by a full wall. I also read that the wall was prepped to allow rapid demolition at key points. This was to allow for a rapid East German invasion of the city in overwhelming force.
 
I was in Montgomery barracks (bottom left of the map) in the early 80s and the wall went right past the back of the Officers Mess. It was built a few yards into East German territory, so that a narrow strip of East German zone ran along “our” side of the wall. Their border guards used to patrol down the narrow strip. On a summer’s evening, when we were quaffing champagne in our mess kit 0n the verandah before a dinner night, it must have seemed quite a sight to the Russian conscripts as they paced past on their routine patrols!
 
Parts of the border between East Germany and West Berlin were left as chainlink fencing and barbed wire. In particular an area on the perimeter of RAF Gatow and in Lubars in the far north of the French sector. These were for ease of access for WARPAC armour as and when the cold war turned hot!
Quite a few kilometers of border were in fact in water especially in the south western part of the American sector. These were protected by underwater nets and patrol boats. Certainly by my time there ('85 - '90) most of the barrier around West Berlin was concrete wall.
 
Parts of the border between East Germany and West Berlin were left as chainlink fencing and barbed wire. In particular an area on the perimeter of RAF Gatow and in Lubars in the far north of the French sector. These were for ease of access for WARPAC armour as and when the cold war turned hot!
Quite a few kilometers of border were in fact in water especially in the south western part of the American sector. These were protected by underwater nets and patrol boats. Certainly by my time there ('85 - '90) most of the barrier around West Berlin was concrete wall.
The RAF and the Frogs would have seen off any DDR motor rifle regiments. No worries there...
 
Bugsy would probably tell us all about it, if he wasn’t banned.
 

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Memory is a little hazy now, but in the area of Spandauforst, in the NW corner of the British sector, the Wall was set back inside DDR territory by at least two hundred yards in places. I believe there was some evidence that these tracts of open ground, much of it heath, may have been used by the Sovs/HVA/MfS for brief nocturnal(?) meets with sources resident in West Berlin who, for whatever reason, were not required to cross into the Russian sector, possibly because they might have run the risk of attracting unwelcome Western attention by doing so. (One can but speculate as to who they might have been - and not necessarily Germans!) I remember the curious find, around 1980, of a small two-man hide containing a solitary microphone, well concealed in dead ground about halfway between the Wall and the edge of the wood, but definitely inside the DDR. Interesting times.
 
The Wall eventually surrounded West Berlin.
The Wall did indeed divide East from West Berlin. The latter was fenced in with something similar to the IGB, not a wall.
 
Memory is a little hazy now, but in the area of Spandauforst, in the NW corner of the British sector, the Wall was set back inside DDR territory by at least two hundred yards in places. I believe there was some evidence that these tracts of open ground, much of it heath, may have been used by the Sovs/HVA/MfS for brief nocturnal(?) meets with sources resident in West Berlin who, for whatever reason, were not required to cross into the Russian sector, possibly because they might have run the risk of attracting unwelcome Western attention by doing so. (One can but speculate as to who they might have been - and not necessarily Germans!) I remember the curious find, around 1980, of a small two-man hide containing a solitary microphone, well concealed in dead ground about halfway between the Wall and the edge of the wood, but definitely inside the DDR. Interesting times.
That was Bugsy. I knew he'd crop up sooner or later.
 
The Wall did indeed divide East from West Berlin. The latter was fenced in with something similar to the IGB, not a wall.
The Wall, at nearly 100 miles long, surrounded West Berlin, and was apparently concrete all the way. Whether its construction was uniform is another matter. Here are a statement and map from its Wiki entry:

Besides the sector-sector boundary within Berlin itself, the Wall also separated West Berlin from the present-day state of Brandenburg.

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I know the Wall separated East and West Berlin, but what was the dividing materials separating the other areas of West Berlin from the DDR? I ask because of the following map of Berlin produced by the West Berlin Senate in 1962. It shows the brickwork that divided the city and barbed wire separating West Berlin from the rest of East Germany. I had never thought about it until saw this map

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This is from the DDR-Grenztruppen about 1984
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And this is No Man's Land circa 1965
 
Well, they had to do something to keep out all those millions of westerners gagging to get in to the DDR to sample the delights of socialism.
 
Well, they had to do something to keep out all those millions of westerners gagging to get in to the DDR to sample the delights of socialism.
I believe the official designation was Anti-Fascist Defence Wall.
 
Quite. Just a happy coincidence that it did double duty to keep in the poor bastards trying to escape the gentle ministrations of their socialist masters.
 

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