DFTS - anyone with a long memory?

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  1. Anyone on here know who lost the bid to BT in 1997 when DFTS was first let?

    Just trying to work out who else could do the damned thing in 3 years when the contract ends...
  2. Four bidders were:

    Northern Telecom (now Nortel)

    Down selected to:


    They all got parts in DFTS after the contract was let anyway.

    NAO PFI Report from 2000
  3. Who else could the contract go to? BT still own most of the cabling underground so if a move to any other company were to happen, said company would only be 'leasing' the line from BT. This would increase the price ten fold, as I'm very sure you are already aware.
  4. Unless they re-wired in the last 12 months it belongs to DT and the MoD. Except of course they can never agree on who owns what as they may have to pay for maintenance and upgrading.
  5. Racal have a considerable infrastructure, having inherited the British Rail Telecom Network in 1995, before I left Racal in 1999 there were moves to provide break-out points from the Railway at multiple points along the rail network routes, to provide access into the local network. This is a technique even more useful with local loop unbundling introduced in 2000, meaning that BT had to provide access to other operators onto their "last mile" copper networks.
  6. Racal were also looking at doing a fibre network vie the national grid. There are plenty of networks in the UK, not all of them fixed wire, and not all of them on the legacy network.
  7. That would be Energis, who at one time were looking at purchasing Racal Telecom, only to be trumped at the last minute by Global Crossing!

    Energis was a great network but the cable where the fibre is wrapped is the Earth which travels between the grid pylons. Vulnerable to lightning and shotgun attack, and IIRC they need changing every 5 years.

    Shotgun attack as farmers only get paid for the pylon in their fields, not the services carried across them.....
  8. Didn't one company plan to use the canal network for their fibre-optics?

    Not necessarily for the MOD, but when the world was going digital?

  9. Yes that was FiberNet IIRC, im not sure what happened to it since lots of change has taken place in past few years in the UK market since I moved abroad.
  10. The whole LLU thing never delivered in this country - I don't think society was ready for the advancements that FTTP wanted to deliver.

    With the way things have gone with mobile comms - 3G services and 4G on the way with better coverage from femtocells, then it may never happen.
  11. Could we have that in English please, H_F?


  12. LLU is local loop unbundling - can't be arsed to write a description, google it ;)

    FTTP - is Fibre to the Premisis - see above.

    Both have their own pros and cons (mostly cost v performance)
  13. Thanks.

  14. Local Loop Unbundling is the process whereby BT were required to allow other operators access into their exchanges in order that other operators could make use of the copper cabling that gets from the exchange to the customer, particularly used by Broadband operators to get Broadband into the home/business.

    FTTP is the process of the future whereby an operator will supply a fiber optic cable to a business premise, and soon to come will be fiber into the home (much bigger project). This allows business and home users to get far higher bandwidth than is commonly available today. Fiber to the home is a concept which the UK is years behind on. Other European countries have made great inroads into Fiber to the home.

    Fiber to the premises for business is far more cost effective than Fiber to the Home, and promises bigger returns in the short term, as allowance has to be made for the cost of digging, ducts, the cable itself, the splicing, and the number of fibers which can be sold to the customer base.
  15. It's "fibre"....