Deserted Military Hospital as troops queue for NHS

#2
Its all very well having 2 wards that can be "bought into use within hours". The Army has thousands of pieces of Clansman kit that could be bought into use with hours, but if you've got no one to man it, its useless too you.

The more pertinent point is that the Defence Medical Services have been almost cost saved out of existence in comparison to the days when they could resource Military Hospitals.

Its a nice thought, and there can be no arguement that purely military wards are necessary, but where are the doctors and nurses coming from? And lets hope the Phillippines isnt the answer.
 
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eveyuk said:
There are plenty of nurses looking for work, many are being threatened with redundancy at the moment.
That i understand, my mother is a nurse who has spent the best part of 30 years dodging one set of redundancies after another.

What the good General said is that Soldiers want to be treated in hospital with other soldiers and nurses in uniform. A great idea, and i agree fully, but where are the military nurses and doctors coming from?

We need effective armoured vehicles for Iraq and Afghanistan, we need more helicoptors, we need another couple of Battle Groups on the ground in Helmand, the Navy need new Carriers, we havent got enough dentists. The lists go on and on, a tap on Gordon Browns door to ask whether we're ever likely to see purely Military hospital wards might be prudent before you mention it to the national press.
 
#5
What the good General said is that Soldiers want to be treated in hospital with other soldiers and nurses in uniform.
That goes to show how little he knows. What the soldiers want is to be given the best treatment for there injuries. A bonus would be in a military environment.
2 wards will not be able to deal with the variety of injuries and illnesses. I wouldnt want some loony sat next to me if I had a head injury. Get away from all this hysteria. You think they will have specialists for all medical disciplines sat waiting for the small number of injuries that will come in. Get real.
Not everyone comes back with gun shot wounds.
 

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What the good General said is that Soldiers want to be treated in hospital with other soldiers and nurses in uniform.
That goes to show how little he knows. What the soldiers want is to be given the best treatment for there injuries. A bonus would be in a military environment.
2 wards will not be able to deal with the variety of injuries and illnesses. I wouldnt want some loony sat next to me if I had a head injury. Get away from all this hysteria. You think they will have specialists for all medical disciplines sat waiting for the small number of injuries that will come in. Get real.
Not everyone comes back with gun shot wounds.
Obviously not OT Thief - you were obviously born with PTSD.

If you actually read the article you will note that there are no quotes by General Sir Richard, and that the article claims that he said what he did in support of the NOTW. I don't think so.

You say that you would not want some loony beside you - taking your comments from this and previous posts - that person would be considered completely sane by the rest of the world compared to you. How can you live with yoursel;f if you don't like 'loonies'?
 
#7
We have two military wards that can be brought into operation within hours, but we aint going to open those wards despite the numbers of injured coming back from Iraq and Afghanistan.
Oh no....instead we will shove you onto a NHS ward where the other patients visitors can threaten and abuse you.
While your being abused, be happy that the goverment is giving thousands of pounds in grants to a university to study.......The history of pockets!!!!
Army..be the best. But for gods sake, if you get injured dont expect the best!
 
#8
Haslar was built in 1750. It’s a f**king shed. Yes one or two bits are fairly modern but if I’d had bits blown off me I’d prefer the average NHS district general hospital (with irate local Muslims) to Haslar. There is a fairly vociferous bunch of Gosport folk (led by Peter Viggers the local c*ntservative MP) who want the place reopened. This is not because of it’s supposedly “state of the art” facilities (utterly, utterly bo**ocks) would be available to wounded service personnel, but because it was the local cottage hospital which cared for the local inbreeds who can’t be arssed to go to the proper hospitals in Southampton and Portsmouth.
 

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RiojaDOC said:
Haslar was built in 1750. It’s a f**king shed. Yes one or two bits are fairly modern but if I’d had bits blown off me I’d prefer the average NHS district general hospital (with irate local Muslims) to Haslar. There is a fairly vociferous bunch of Gosport folk (led by Peter Viggers the local c*ntservative MP) who want the place reopened. This is not because of it’s supposedly “state of the art” facilities (utterly, utterly bo**ocks) would be available to wounded service personnel, but because it was the local cottage hospital which cared for the local inbreeds who can’t be arssed to go to the proper hospitals in Southampton and Portsmouth.
If they survive the 13 mile drive of course.
 
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RiojaDOC said:
Haslar was built in 1750. It’s a f**king shed. Yes one or two bits are fairly modern but if I’d had bits blown off me I’d prefer the average NHS district general hospital (with irate local Muslims) to Haslar. There is a fairly vociferous bunch of Gosport folk (led by Peter Viggers the local c*ntservative MP) who want the place reopened. This is not because of it’s supposedly “state of the art” facilities (utterly, utterly bo**ocks) would be available to wounded service personnel, but because it was the local cottage hospital which cared for the local inbreeds who can’t be arssed to go to the proper hospitals in Southampton and Portsmouth.
Southampton General dose not need an influx of Pikeys thank you very much! :D
 
#11
Right, enought of this bollox-we DO NOT need Gosport people travelling outside of Gosport.

Do you know how difficult it would be to keep tabs on them all?

And what if they started breeding?!! 8O 8O 8O
 
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the_matelot said:
Right, enought of this bollox-we DO NOT need Gosport people travelling outside of Gosport.

Do you know how difficult it would be to keep tabs on them all?

And what if they started breeding?!! 8O 8O 8O
Heaven forbid! impliment checkpoints on the M27 up to Soton!!!
 
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boney_m said:
eveyuk said:
There are plenty of nurses looking for work, many are being threatened with redundancy at the moment.
That i understand, my mother is a nurse who has spent the best part of 30 years dodging one set of redundancies after another.
The irony being - as my wife, a nurse of over 25yrs experience points out - that she (aged 40+) is typical of the main body of NHS nurses.

The NHS is in such a state that young nurses don't/cannot afford to stay at it; they change career or go private, so most nurses are middle-aged mums who will leave a gaping hole when they retire.

Interim local stopgaps include mob-handed recruiting of nurses from overseas - Philippinos were flavour of the month in Surrey a little while back. Again, they stay long enough for their CV to look right, and off they go to the private sector.
 
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This was in the Independednt on Sunday, on 8 Oct, but never appeared online. It's already on the *Injured Para accosted by angry muslim" thread. If there are other threads dealing with primary and/or secondary medical care for the wounded, please post in them a link to this report.

IndyOnSunday aka Ian Griggs said:
A cavalryman badly injured in Iraq says the MoD should do much more for the treatment and rehabilitation of servicemen

Daniel Twiddy has sympathy for the plight of injured soldiers returning from wars in Afghanistan and Iraq, who he believes are then tossed aside by the Ministry of Defence (MoD) as "numbers" when they are no longer useful.

Daniel clearly remembers the moment he was blown off his Challenger 2 tank in a "friendly fire" incident during the invasion of Iraq in March 2003.
As news emerged last week that British soldiers are risking their lives for less than the minimum wage of £3.30 an hour, the value the MoD places on its injured servicemen brought back bitter memories for Daniel, who was badly injured two days into the invasion.

"I had just finished a stint of sentry duty and was sleeping on the top of the tank because it was hot. It was lam," he says.
A high-explosive round landed just behind the tank, blowing him off the vehicle and setting fire to it. "I was on fire, and I had shrapnel wounds all over," he remembers. "I didn't have a clue what was going on and I was screaming. I couldn't see or hear, all I could feel was this incredible heat."
About 15 seconds later, a second explosive made a direct hit on the tank, killing his commander and the driver instantly. "The second shot set me on fire again, and I took a large piece of shrapnel through my face and lost a lot of teeth," he says. "I remember crawling on my hands and knees, screaming, with blood running down my face."

Later, it became clear that the rounds had been fired by another British tank, which had mistaken Daniel's Challenger 2 for the enemy.
Daniel is scathing about how the MoD treats its discharged soldiers. "Once you are discharged the MoD doesn't want anything to do with you and the attitude is: let's just get another number in to replace this one. They should care, they blew me up but they don't want anything to do with me."
In February 2005, Daniel was medically discharged from the Army on the basis of his partial deafness. He is furious that, following an official inquest, nobody was blamed for the friendly fire incident that killed two colleagues and very nearly killed him.

"After six years of being a good soldier, there was no 'thank-you' letter, no 'good luck for the future', just silence. All I ever wanted to do was be in the Army and I could have gone all the way, but now that has been taken away from me."

The MoD has only recently agreed a plan with charities, such as the Royal British Legion, in which they will be able to send a letter to every member of the armed services who might need help, circumventing data protection rules.

The suspicion among charities is that the MoD was concerned that discharged personnel would have access to information about the compensation and medical care due to them. Soldiers who are injured in the fighting cannot even expect dedicated medical facilities on their return to the UK.

All but one of Britain's military hospitals have been closed down. The lack of dedicated facilities has led to about 5,000 military personnel being unable to return to frontline duty because they are on NHS waiting lists for treatment. Daniel, who suffered 80 per cent burns, says the medical care he received was excellent, but he believes the closure of the military hospitals is a disgrace because being with other injured personnel helps soldiers to recover more quickly. "You can all talk about what happened to you and have a laugh about it. Civilians don't understand," he says. Out of hospital, Daniel had 20 operations, many of them skin grafts, but he is angry that the MoD refused to pay for part of his care. "I had to get a specialist to apply creams to my skin grafts every day for three months, and it cost me £60 a week out of my own pocket," he j says. "I was disgusted that the MoD refused to pay the money back."

Mark Lancaster MP, who recently returned from a tour of Afghanistan with the Territorial Army, has called for a "fundamental review" of medical care for serving personnel. "We have a major problem with delivering medical services to the armed forces and we should not have closed our military hospitals," he said. Despite setting up a successful business as a plasterer, Daniel has found adapting to civilian life hard. "Fending for yourself is difficult," he says. "The lack of routine is also hard, but I get round that by being very organised and being a perfectionist. I still keep a piece of the Army inside me."
 
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I wonder if Commander Med would like to come on here and comment about this, I’m sure he sits at his desk in Sandhurst dying to say something on this subject, but is too worried about what will happen to his career.
This happened to me while on IFOR, and I felt like an outcast in a civi hospital.
 
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FRAG said:
I wonder if Commander Med would like to come on here and comment about this, I’m sure he sits at his desk in Sandhurst dying to say something on this subject, but is too worried about what will happen to his career.
This happened to me while on IFOR, and I felt like an outcast in a civi hospital.
I interviewed Comd Med, on behalf of Darth Vader, shortly after Comd med took up his post in 2003 (is it still the same man?).

All I can say is the chap I dealt with was incandescent about what had happened to the Med Svcs under DCS 15, and clearly busting a gut to try and put it right.

Struck me as a dam' fine bloke, and not a man to fanny aboout.
 
#17
If we, apparently, can't justify the argument for one military hospital, at least, while fighting in Iraq and Afghanistan, how come the Germans can have 4 and a teaching one as well...?

At peace time we should have fat on the system, which in this case can also help take the load off the NHS, so we can work properly in wartime, without the system cracking.... Can someone please tell Gordon Brown this.
 
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boney_m said:
eveyuk said:
There are plenty of nurses looking for work, many are being threatened with redundancy at the moment.
That i understand, my mother is a nurse who has spent the best part of 30 years dodging one set of redundancies after another.

What the good General said is that Soldiers want to be treated in hospital with other soldiers and nurses in uniform. A great idea, and i agree fully, but where are the military nurses and doctors coming from?

We need effective armoured vehicles for Iraq and Afghanistan, we need more helicoptors, we need another couple of Battle Groups on the ground in Helmand, the Navy need new Carriers, we havent got enough dentists. The lists go on and on, a tap on Gordon Browns door to ask whether we're ever likely to see purely Military hospital wards might be prudent before you mention it to the national press.
Is that a single or double tap??? :roll:




ok ok I know.... door, coat .... I'm going ...
 

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the_matelot said:
Right, enought of this bollox-we DO NOT need Gosport people travelling outside of Gosport.

Do you know how difficult it would be to keep tabs on them all?

And what if they started breeding?!! 8O 8O 8O
They will probably join the Navy :cry:
 
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