Derek Chauvin on trial for killing of George Floyd Trial live stream...

Is Derek Chauvin - Guilty or Innocent?


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The original pathologist and subsequently a panel of pathologists led by Dr Fowler disagreed with the doctors.... They're found no evidence of any injuries caused by the compression and the prosecution had to bring in a pathologist willing to invoke burke and even that was sitting on a persons chest and not kneeling on his shoulder.

Interesting. So there is a statistically measurable possibility that just the stress of being arrested could have killed Floyd ? Given his history of physical health issues and the usages of drugs at some pint before his arrest.
 
The Officer Lt Nazario has quite a history of speeding failure to stop, failure to produce drivers license, etc. the US Army is looking into him as well for his repeated run ins with the law

An officer of the United States Army who has multiple times had incidents with police and each occasion it has been started by His failure to Obey lawful commands
Isle of Wight General District Court
Case #: GT20008474-00
Defendant: NAZARIO, CARON R
Offense Date: 11/07/2020
Hearing: 05/12/2021
Charge: 54/35 SPEED
Code Section: G.46.2-875
Chesterfield General District Court

Case #: GT16005707-00
Defendant: NAZARIO, CARON R
Offense Date: 02/02/2016
Hearing: 03/28/2016
Charge: OP W/TINT/SIGNS/DECALS WINDOWS
Code Section: 46.2-1052
Dinwiddie General District Court

Case #: GT14011945-00
Defendant: NAZARIO, CARON R.
Offense Date: 12/02/2014
Hearing: 01/15/2015
Charge: 75/60 SP
Code Section: G.46.2-870
New Kent General District Court

Case #: GT18003278-00
Defendant: NAZARIO, CARON RENE
Offense Date: 05/31/2018
Hearing: 06/27/2018
Charge: 70/55 SP
Code Section: G.46.2-870
Petersburg General District Court

Case #: GT18005493-00
Defendant: NAZARIO, CARON RENE
Offense Date: 03/28/2018
Hearing: 07/17/2018
Charge: 43/25 SP
Code Section: G.46.2-874
Brunswick General District Court

Case #: GT16006946-00
Defendant: NAZARIO, CARON RENE
Offense Date: 06/03/2016
Hearing: 09/22/2016
Charge: WINDOW TINT
Code Section: 46.2-1052
Brunswick General District Court

Case #: GT16006947-00
Defendant: NAZARIO, CARON RENE
Offense Date: 06/03/2016
Hearing: 09/22/2016
Charge: NO FRONT LICENSE PLATE
Code Section: 46.2-716
Petersburg General District Court

Case #: GT16005157-00
Defendant: NAZARIO, CARON RENE
Offense Date: 05/28/2016
Hearing: 08/23/2016
Amended Charge: SP 1-9 OVER LIMIT-55/70 ZONE
Amended Code Section: A.46.2-870
Petersburg General District Court

Case #: GT16005158-00
Defendant: NAZARIO, CARON RENE
Offense Date: 05/28/2016
Hearing: 08/23/2016
Charge: FAIL TO CARRY/EXHIBIT LICENSE
Code Section: A.46.2-104
Prince George General District Court

Case #: GT15001106-00
Defendant: NAZARIO, CARON RENE
Offense Date: 02/09/2015
Hearing: 04/27/2015
Charge: RD-GENERALLY-MISD
Code Section: A.46.2-852
Sussex General District Court

Case #: GT14012193-00
Defendant: NAZARIO, CARON RENE
Offense Date: 10/07/2014
Hearing: 11/18/2014
Amended Charge: 44/35 SPEEDING
Amended Code Section: A.46.2-875



An assorted list there that shows he’s not entirely an angel but it doesn’t detract from the reality of the danger the officers presented to him and the fear he exhibited during the entire episode that was shown in the video.
 

jrwlynch

LE
Book Reviewer
Interesting. So there is a statistically measurable possibility that just the stress of being arrested could have killed Floyd ? Given his history of physical health issues and the usages of drugs at some pint before his arrest.

Evidently, after hearing the arguments for and against, that possibility wasn't sufficient to raise a reasonable doubt in the minds of the jury that Floyd would have died without Chauvin's actions.
 
The 3rd was inevitable - it was at best a massive failure of care - I would have been suprised if he wasnt found guilty of that.

Im suprised the 1st charge stuck - there wasnt any indication it was intended or premeditated. .../
Despite our understanding of the term "murder", in fact none of the charges under Minnesota statutes required premeditation or actual intent to kill.
 

Nornironman

Old-Salt
If Floyd hadn't done what he did on that day, he wouldn't be dead, and millions of dollars of property damage and more than a few deaths would not have occurred. Whatever Chauvin did was in response to Floyd's own actions.

Incredible. The message clearly has not hit home here. Chauvin's actions killed Floyd, not Floyd's actions. Chauvin's reaction was unprofessional and unacceptable this isn't being debated, it clearly was completely out of order to the extent he's going down. The wider issue of the extent that his actions reflected the mores of the PD is still to be resolved. That is a far bigger can of worms.
 
The Police Union PR machine swung into action, has it? High-definition camera phones, and police body cameras, are increasingly proving that there are too many situations where people are injured or killed by incompetent US police officers. In many cases, the motives look... questionable. Surprise, surprise - roll out the victim-blaming, because those who so desperately want to believe it wasn't racism are desperate to find any reason to explain away Police incompetence.

Officer Cartman and his pal decide to pull someone over, and after much shouting and gun pointing, dispense some summary justice for "failing to Respect Mah Authoritay" by mace and physical force - all caught on video, all successfully making their Police Department look like a bunch of racists (because, polite black Army Officer being pepper-sprayed and knee-struck by white cop).

I'm perfectly willing to accept that they might not be racists; and they give anyone a kicking because they reckon they can get away with it ("Thin Blue Line!")- but it's fair to say that the police concerned look like a pair of morons with anger management issues. I daresay we'll soon see footage of polite (but poor) white drivers getting pepper-sprayed by white cops to prove our suspicions wrong...

Believing that America is Great - fine. Wanting to believe that America is the land of opportunity, and that it isn't racist - admirable, if naive. Insisting that there isn't any racism in American police officers, in the face of all the evidence? Delusional. Insisting that "it's all their own fault, they're criminals, they deserve it" and making comments about how "they" are going to riot just to indulge in "kinetic shopping" is when you should take a look in the mirror, and admit that perhaps you're racist too.

If you had taken the time to gain even a cursory overview of the facts you would have known that the cop who used the pepper spray and the knee strike isn't white. Epic fail.
 
The worst thing about this case to me is the glorification and martyrdom of a convicted career criminal and drug addict.

What kind of message does that send to the world and in particular the kids growing up and exposed to this brainwashing?
 
If you had taken the time to gain even a cursory overview of the facts you would have known that the cop who used the pepper spray and the knee strike isn't white.
And just for clarity, how would you describe him? Same skin colour as the victim, or different? (note that his partner, who's doing the "keep both hands outside the car" shouting, is white).
 

endure

GCM
All true - but worth noting -

They wouldnt have known his colour at the start - So him being a black man isnt relevant -

Him not copoerating wasnt helpfull

Theres numerous videos of officers doing a routine stop and beig fired upon -


Add to the mix police training seems rather hit and miss in the states and "police brutality " or in reality police resorting to force sooner seems inevitable.

BB has mentioned the shooting of the unarmed 13 year old*, the one recently in the news
the 13yr old fled from a car that was fleeing the scene of a shooting and had just tossed the gun before being shot.
So far from innocent and the officer had good reson to believe he was armed.

Its clear from the video however that the lads hands are raised so not in a position to immidiatly threaten - though in the poor light its not clear if they are empty.
They are empty. There's a news video (which I've been unable to find since I first watched it) of the whole incident.

While the policeman who shot the boy is giving him first aid a policewoman searches the area and finds the gun 2 or 3 yards away behind the fence where the boy threw it before he put his hands up.
 
What kind of message does that send to the world and in particular the kids growing up and exposed to this brainwashing?
How about, "just because you're a criminal, doesn't mean that the police can murder you and get away with it"?

Or "just because you're a police officer, doesn't mean you're above the law; no, you can't just hand out a kicking to the deserving 'to teach them a lesson', that's the job of the courts"?

Or perhaps it's "Look! The USA doesn't have Police, it has a Gendarmerie!" or even "thank f**k we don't routinely arm UK police" when you think of Harry Stanley and his table leg, or even Ian Tomlinson walking too slowly.
 
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And just for clarity, how would you describe him? Same skin colour as the victim, or different?

The LT is black/hispanic. The cop is hispanic.

All of the dashcam, bodycam and cell phone video is further back in this thread. Worth your time watching it. Especially the bit towards the end where the cop (a USMC Veteran) cuts him a break because he doesn't want him getting into trouble with the Army. Hardly the act of the racist, power crazed lunatic you are trying to make him out to be.
 

ches

LE
Incredible. The message clearly has not hit home here. Chauvin's actions killed Floyd, not Floyd's actions. Chauvin's reaction was unprofessional and unacceptable this isn't being debated, it clearly was completely out of order to the extent he's going down. The wider issue of the extent that his actions reflected the mores of the PD is still to be resolved. That is a far bigger can of worms.

FFS TamH70 give your head a wobble, Norn is bang on here, the dipshit was on Floyds neck/chest for 9 minutes. I've done stacks of public order stuff, snatch squads the lot, there is no way you would need to be on someones body for that length of time esp when the bloke is pretty much gagging & you've got oppos around you to help if he springs up on you. Whatever was going through Chauvins head for that length of time wasn't justice or restraint.
 
They are empty. There's a news video (which I've been unable to find since I first watched it) of the whole incident.
From what I’ve seen, they are empty but they come up quickly.
Probably because the cop is doing the usual US thing of “shout because you are scared”
The cop in that instance is probably responding to the movement rather than the contents of the hands. It could be argued that the cop has some responsibility here because the sudden movement was in response to his commands.
 
The worst thing about this case to me is the glorification and martyrdom of a convicted career criminal and drug addict.

What kind of message does that send to the world and in particular the kids growing up and exposed to this brainwashing?
He only acclaimed "martyrdom" because he was murdered by a polis kneeling on his neck unnecessarily. Already cuffed and searched posing minimum threat to his slayer.
 
Congratulations to @Bravo_Bravo and @Sixty for managing to turn this thread into an assfest, with you two as the biggest asses.

Where exactly does it say that disagreeing with a vindictive and wildly inaccurate post (1. Chauvin won't be "rotting in hell", he'll be rotting in jail, and 2. I don't remember seeing pictures of Chauvin dressed as the Grand Kleegle or footage of him telling black citizens to use the back of the bus), can be classed as racist?

You two are an embarrassment, wearing your own ingrained prejudices like "badges of honour"

Vindictive cretins, the pair of you.

Everyone has a chink in their armour.
 
If Floyd hadn't done what he did on that day, he wouldn't be dead, and millions of dollars of property damage and more than a few deaths would not have occurred. Whatever Chauvin did was in response to Floyd's own actions.
Nor would he be dead if Chauvin hadn't done what he did.

Floyd was under control, and yet Chauvin continued to kneel on his neck. I believe this was contrary to the correct use of force procedures for his department, as he had been taught.
 
You don't think Chauvin is racist, fair enough.

Nope I havent said that either - because not knowing the man i dont know, although i would lean to the assumption of non racist as (despite Ali Brown Abbot and Lammys insistance) the majority of all are not racists

What ive said is
1) The fact he is white and Flloyd is black - doesnt equal racism
2) Theres been no evidence produced that he was racist
3) Pointing out theres no evidence of racist motivation or stating you do not think Chauvin is racist does not make that person racist.
 
Nor would he be dead if Chauvin hadn't done what he did.

Floyd was under control, and yet Chauvin continued to kneel on his neck. I believe this was contrary to the correct use of force procedures for his department, as he had been taught.

Chauvin, taking the knee before it became de rigueur.
 
What kind of message does that send to the world
Oh, and how about "Never trust the initial Police press release". Having watched the incident footage, does this seem like a reasonably accurate and honest reflection of the incident?

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