Deputy General Secretary of the Met Police Federation - Abuse of power

[Provost]

Normally you can never get them to do your job and help you, the bunch of useless f*ckwits. It was obvious he was only representing her so he could get into her knickers.

Two things occur to me:

At the level of Deputy General Secretary of the Police Federation, apart from still drawing a police salary, he would have been as involved in day to day policing duties as Tom Winsor. He was a police officer in name only.

Workplace reps (the most junior level of the police federation hierarchy) represent federated members on matters involving discipline or welfare. As a Deputy General Secretary, he would be involved only in matters of Police Federation policy.

 

[wetsmonkey]

I'm saying if I behaved like that with a colleague my company would call the police in. Oh, hang on.

What criminal offence did he commit, or was it an employment law issue?

 

[postman_twit]

What criminal offence did he commit, or was it an employment law issue?

I know you're a serving officer and know a fair bit about the law. Could it possibly fall under this type of offence?

What is Police Abuse of Authority for Sexual Gain?​

HMIC defines police abuse of authority for sexual gain as:

a type of serious corruption, whereby police officers or police staff abuse their powers to sexually exploit or abuse people.

It describes police corruption as the:

exercise of power or privilege of a police constable for the purposes of achieving a benefit for himself or herself, or a benefit or a detriment for another person, when a reasonable person would not expect the power or privilege to be exercised for the purpose of achieving that benefit or detriment; as defined in section 26 of the Criminal Justice and Courts Act 2015.

Some people have been convicted of police abuse of authority for sexual gain (found guilty of sex crimes) while serving as police officers, including:

• PC Stephen Mitchell, who was jailed for life after being convicted of 2 charges of rape, 3 indecent assaults, and 6 counts of misconduct in public office, involving vulnerable women he met on duty
• PC James Evans, who was jailed for 4 years after having sex with a 15-year-old rape victim
• PC Steven Walters was also jailed for 4 years for sexually assaulting 2 women, in what Chief Constable David Thompson said was “one of the worst violations of policing integrity I’ve ever seen”.

 

[wetsmonkey]

You tell me





Sounds like a minor oversight to me

The boss



All in all, an outstanding effort

At least The CC has done the honourable thing, taken responsibility and resigned. An example to others who don’t take responsibility for their position and decisions.

 

[Scaley Albereto]

Interesting verdict

“He would have been dismissed without notice if he was still a serving officer”

But he isn’t, he resigned or left two years previously.

He is referred to as a Detective Sergeant, but he hadn’t been for at least two years.
A discipline hearing has been held, at no doubt considerable cost, to make a decision to sack someone who doesn’t work there anyway.

What was the point or benefit of doing so.

A minor point perhaps, but he will most likely be on an official list held by the CoP barring him from working for the police in a civilian capacity & therefore denying him a possible lucrative second career.

Not defending him, my experience in recent times as a fed rep attending courses at the Leatherhead gravy train, shocking abuse of finances & power? The abuse would make MEP's blush.

Retired now, but after witnessing Leatherhead in action I binned the fed & took out local legal insurance for half the cost of the fed.

Needless to say, not a fan. Nationally it was one big gravy back scratching train.

 

[jmb3296]

A minor point perhaps, but he will most likely be on an official list held by the CoP barring him from working for the police in a civilian capacity & therefore denying him a possible lucrative second career.

Not defending him, my experience in recent times as a fed rep attending courses at the Leatherhead gravy train, shocking abuse of finances & power? The abuse would make MEP's blush.

Retired now, but after witnessing Leatherhead in action I binned the fed & took out local legal insurance for half the cost of the fed.

Needless to say, not a fan. Nationally it was one big gravy back scratching train.

i was a fed rep for a bit in Scotland. It is very different from the England and Wales structures, not least in terms of scale.
at it’s best it is good men and women doing their best for cops who have made a bit of an arse of it or look after the welfare of the injured, damaged and bereaved , or stuck with trying to negotiate a reasonable outcome for the creep, even if that meant their departure from the organisation.

At its worst, and it was a very small proportion of reps, it was lazy sods looking to do as little as possible for the money.

there was no leather head equivalent For which I am truly grateful

the CoP list came in after I left. It may have been better journalism to report that rather than the article they gave us,

 

[medwaymud]

You’ve never had any dealings with HR types have you?

Isnt there another Thread on here concerning this aspect ?
Something to do with Disinformation ?

HR started out so innocently, and positively maybe - Now seen to be a tool in the Socialist march forwards

 

[Provost]

At its worst, and it was a very small proportion of reps, it was lazy sods looking to do as little as possible for the money.

Fed reps in Scotland are paid?

 

[jmb3296]

Fed reps in Scotland are paid?

There are some full time ones, very very few.even fewer now.
Most reps are constablesm sergeants or inspectors in their day jobs and get time away from the day job to do the fed rep job, attend conference and hearings .
the time away to do that is northern deducted from salary.
the good ones put far more in than they ever get compensation for.
the wretches, attend every fed training opportunity, free lunch and conference and don’t provide much, if any return on investment.
all are voted in.

 

[par avion]

This link indicates the complexity of Crime Recording a breach of this would be considered a statistic. All forces to a certain extant have and do fall foul of the rules.

It would appear that GMP still haven’t got the systems in place to effectively abide by the rules. Maybe they used resources to police elsewhere.

National Crime Reporting Standards (NCRS) and Home Office Counting Rules (HOCR) have been in force for decades and apply to all Home Office Forces in England and Wales. Having worked in a Crime Management Unit on borough in the Met for a few years there was a lot of fiddling of the figures. Not recording calls on the CAD as crimes and showing allegations on the Crime Reporting Information System (CRIS) and showing Crime allegation's as 'Crime Related Incidents' or 'No Crime' so that they don't go on the crime figures. DS and DI's on CMU's used to get a 'Special Priority Payement' and the DCI and Borough Commander would get a 'Performance Bonus' and another step up the promotion ladder.

There was a lot of pressure on the DI's and DS's to go along with this and there career could suffer if they didn't. It went on all over the Met and I am pretty certain in every Home Office Force. To my mind it was out and out corruption. A enquiry from the London Assembly or some such body looked at the system and stated it had the potential for corruption (no sh*t Sherlock) and advised that the system was centalised. I joined the the Central Unit that did this classifying and confirming all crime allegations and assesing if an allegation could be 'No Crimed' in accordance with HOCR. All requests for 'Clear Up's' were dealt with as well - another area where there had been blatant corruption as well for many years.

There were howls of outrage from CID's on borough but to no avail as we had the support of the Commisioner and everything was dealt with strickly to NCRS and HOCR. The same thing happened with CAD as well as CID on Borough's were trying to stop crimes being reported to the control room going on the CRIS system. All these are checked by controllers at hHendon now to ensure that a crime number is recorded on the CAD before it is closed. Our unit was headed by a DCI with several DI's and many DS's who had all worked in CMU's and knew all the scam's. It really was a case of 'poacher turned gamekeeper.' I can safely say that from 2012 the Met's figures were accurate and complied with HOCR and NCRS. We also worked closely with the 'Force Registrar.'

GMP have had the systems in place for years as have every Home Office Force and know the system. It is one of the things examined by HM Inspectorate of Constabulary. There is not an option to use the recources to police elsewhere. Its a mandatory Home Office requirement and all forces have a 'Force Registrar' to advice on this and liase with other the 'Force Registrar' in other forces.

GMP are either grossly incompetent or actively trying to fiddle the figures.

 

[Toastie]

Isnt there another Thread on here concerning this aspect ?
Something to do with Disinformation ?

HR started out so innocently, and positively maybe - Now seen to be a tool in the Socialist march forwards

You could write a whole internet on the excesses of HR. I’ve spent 15 years as a rep, generally working constructively with operational managers only for pretty much every proposed agreement to be shredded when it gets to the (mandatory, as decreed by HR) “we need to run it by HR, just a formality” stage.

The catch all justification is “no, other sections of the workforce don’t get that / have to do this”. I can understand it in a workforce that are all generally doing the same thing, in an office for example but when you have several groups of specialists working in very small teams spread all over the place?

We are now at the point where every meeting has an “HR Partner” embedded. They have precisely zero comprehension of the matter at hand or of the people involved and their jobs; they sit looking bored and only “contribute” when the managers they’re there to watch show signs of straying from the pre ordained HR outcome.

IMHO HR has replaced techno nerds as the refuge of the inadequate. The only chance in life they have to influence events is to make everyone else as miserable as they are through workplace regulation to a degree that it actually hampers the ability of that workplace to function effectively.

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