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Dennis McShane - one rule for MPs it seems...

#2
Plus it says 'This is so far from what would be acceptable in any walk of life that we recommend that Mr MacShane be suspended from the service of the House for twelve months.’ And "19 receipts obviously made to deceive".

Suspended for 12 months? Suspended from the neck, more like. We had a nurse who put in a false travel claim for about 20 quid and lost her job, no appeal, no "suspension". Also remember an RSM who claimed for travel expenses whilst taking a lift to attend a resettlement course. Court martial, reduced to the ranks.
Your "one rule for MPs it seems" is spot on. Thieving bastards.
 
#5
Should not the police now investigate this crime? it is after all a criminal offence to obtain money by deception or is this a case of I'm a politian a therefore above the Law of the Land. Far too many politians, for far too long, have got away with such criminal behaviour which in any other profession would have led to long custodial sentences.
 
#6
Clearly he though he was home and dry after police dropped his prosecution for fraud. He was, apparently, claiming rent for the garage on the basis that it was his constituency office and he was, somehow, renting it to himself.

Margaret Moran is up in court again later this month. She was charged with fiddling her MPs expenses but she found a psychiatrist who was willing to swear blind that she was mentally unfit to stand trial. AFAIK the judge can either give her an absolute discharge or send her to a mental hospital for up to 2 years. Be interesting to see if he has the courage to do this after Margaret's flagrant playing of the disability card.

Corrupt Labour MPs just wont go away, will they? Who will be next? Keith Vaz?
 
#7
Should not the police now investigate this crime? it is after all a criminal offence to obtain money by deception or is this a case of I'm a politian a therefore above the Law of the Land. Far too many politians, for far too long, have got away with such criminal behaviour which in any other profession would have led to long custodial sentences.
His Party had already suspended him, this announcement came from the Commons Committee today. We'll probably get a statement from Westmnister or Met Police later to say that a complaint has been made. Deserves jail the thieving scrote. Mind you so did arrogant TA Major Derek Conway MP and he escaped justice altogether
 
#8
Clearly he though he was home and dry after police dropped his prosecution for fraud. He was, apparently, claiming rent for the garage on the basis that it was his constituency office and he was, somehow, renting it to himself.

Margaret Moran is up in court again later this month. She was charged with fiddling her MPs expenses but she found a psychiatrist who was willing to swear blind that she was mentally unfit to stand trial. AFAIK the judge can either give her an absolute discharge or send her to a mental hospital for up to 2 years. Be interesting to see if he has the courage to do this after Margaret's flagrant playing of the disability card.

Corrupt Labour MPs just wont go away, will they? Who will be next? Keith Vaz?
Can't imagine a judge giving anyone a hospital order under the mental health act for fraud. They're normally given for violent crimes and arson rather than acquisitive crime.
 
#10
Clearly he though he was home and dry after police dropped his prosecution for fraud. He was, apparently, claiming rent for the garage on the basis that it was his constituency office and he was, somehow, renting it to himself.

Margaret Moran is up in court again later this month. She was charged with fiddling her MPs expenses but she found a psychiatrist who was willing to swear blind that she was mentally unfit to stand trial. AFAIK the judge can either give her an absolute discharge or send her to a mental hospital for up to 2 years. Be interesting to see if he has the courage to do this after Margaret's flagrant playing of the disability card.

Corrupt Labour MPs just wont go away, will they? Who will be next? Keith Vaz?
It's not just Labour. Parents opposed to the inequitable treatment of single and dual wage families in measures to slash child benefit are guilty of ‘fiscal nimbyism’ and should stop complaining, according to David Gauke, the Exchequer Secretary.

Gauke claimed more than £10,000 on his MPs’ expenses to cover the stamp duty and other fees from the purchase of his second home in London and got away with it.

Cnut


 
#11
Can't imagine a judge giving anyone a hospital order under the mental health act for fraud. They're normally given for violent crimes and arson rather than acquisitive crime.
I don't think it's the same procedure that applies if you committed a crime because of mental illness.

Margaret was not ill when she committed her crimes. However, she paid a psychiatrist who determined that she was unfit to stand trial. IIRC the psychiatrist specialises in court work and declares that about 40-50 customers (oops, sorry I mean patients) are unfit to stand trial each year. Sounds like a get out of jail free card.

The judge has the option to send her to hospital, even though she has not stood trial. Given that part of her argument was that she would commit suicide if she had to face trial, I'd say that hospital is clearly the best place for her rather than starting up some PR consultancy the day after she is freed and using the cash that she swindled out of us.
 
#12
I think the quote;

'Mr MacShane's punishment reflected that his actions were 'so far from what would be acceptable in any walk of life, the committee said.'

Meant to say, '...in any OTHER walk of life.'

So Mr MacShane who is a proven lying, fraudulent, thief, Who would have been sacked for gross misconduct in any honourable trade, will be permitted to continue representing his constituency after a year? Who tends to their needs during that period? Should they not get a say as to whether they want con man to speak for them, a by-election perchance?

It would be nice to think that at some time in the future he will speak out against benefit frauds, and tax schemes. Jerry Carr should have stuck to his guns, at least he was legal, and didn't falsify paperwork, or make up false jobs to steal money from the taxpayer. The MP for Rotheram is a lowlife on an equal footing with any shoplifter you care to mention.

Sack him and take the money he stole out of his pension.
 
#13
OK so lets see . .

Denis MacShane (Ex Lab): Cleared by a Parliamentary committee even though they accept he falsely submitted expenses on 19 different occasions that were "plainly intended to deceive"

I bet these guys might be fuming a bit:

Jim Devine (Ex Lab): Jailed in 2011 for 16 months for fiddling £8,385 between 2008 and 2009

Eric Illsley (Ex Lab): Jailed in 2011 for 12 months for £14,000 of false expenses between 2005 and 2008

David Chaytor (Ex Lab): Jailed in 2011 for 18 months for fraudulently claiming more than £20,000 in expenses

Lord Taylor of Warwick (Con Peer): jailed in 2011 for 12 months for falsely claiming £11,277 in parliamentary expenses

Elliot Morley (Ex Lab): Jailed in 2011 for 16 months for fiddling £30,000 of expenses

But let's not forget . .

Margaret Moran (Ex Lab): Strangely not stood trial this year for allegedly fiddling £80,000 of Parliamentary expenses because she's too ill

Baroness Warsi (Ex Nothing): Strangely cleared by the Lord Commissioner for Standards for claiming overnight expenses while living rent free

Sadiq Khan (Lab): Allowed to return Parliamentary expenses (£2.55k) and accepted that he shouldn't have claimed for and apologised. No further action was taken

How inconsistant!!
 
#14
Put her in the dock and gve her about 10 foot of rope and wobbly stool?

or one of those 'massive powder' bucket tubs of paracetamol and a 2 litre bottle of tesco value water.
 
#15
I don't think it's the same procedure that applies if you committed a crime because of mental illness.

Margaret was not ill when she committed her crimes. However, she paid a psychiatrist who determined that she was unfit to stand trial. IIRC the psychiatrist specialises in court work and declares that about 40-50 customers (oops, sorry I mean patients) are unfit to stand trial each year. Sounds like a get out of jail free card.

The judge has the option to send her to hospital, even though she has not stood trial. Given that part of her argument was that she would commit suicide if she had to face trial, I'd say that hospital is clearly the best place for her rather than starting up some PR consultancy the day after she is freed and using the cash that she swindled out of us.
This can be used if the MHA isn't up to the job on the day:

Criminal Procedure (Insanity and Unfitness to Plead) Act 1991

There's a few get hospital through that a year. Bet it doesn't happen to her though.
 

Bouillabaisse

LE
Book Reviewer
#16
Plus it says 'This is so far from what would be acceptable in any walk of life that we recommend that Mr MacShane be suspended from the service of the House for twelve months.’ And "19 receipts obviously made to deceive".

Suspended for 12 months? Suspended from the neck, more like. We had a nurse who put in a false travel claim for about 20 quid and lost her job, no appeal, no "suspension". Also remember an RSM who claimed for travel expenses whilst taking a lift to attend a resettlement course. Court martial, reduced to the ranks.
Your "one rule for MPs it seems" is spot on. Thieving bastards.
A cynic writes: If he's suspended for a year he is still an MP but presumably cannot vote. That means that the Colaition govt's majority just got one bigger, at a time when they think they're going to lose the Corby seat next month.
 
#17
OK so lets see . .

Denis MacShane (Ex Lab): Cleared by a Parliamentary committee even though they accept he falsely submitted expenses on 19 different occasions that were "plainly intended to deceive"

I bet these guys might be fuming a bit:

Jim Devine (Ex Lab): Jailed in 2011 for 16 months for fiddling £8,385 between 2008 and 2009

Eric Illsley (Ex Lab): Jailed in 2011 for 12 months for £14,000 of false expenses between 2005 and 2008

David Chaytor (Ex Lab): Jailed in 2011 for 18 months for fraudulently claiming more than £20,000 in expenses

Lord Taylor of Warwick (Con Peer): jailed in 2011 for 12 months for falsely claiming £11,277 in parliamentary expenses

Elliot Morley (Ex Lab): Jailed in 2011 for 16 months for fiddling £30,000 of expenses

But let's not forget . .

Margaret Moran (Ex Lab): Strangely not stood trial this year for allegedly fiddling £80,000 of Parliamentary expenses because she's too ill

Baroness Warsi (Ex Nothing): Strangely cleared by the Lord Commissioner for Standards for claiming overnight expenses while living rent free

Sadiq Khan (Lab): Allowed to return Parliamentary expenses (£2.55k) and accepted that he shouldn't have claimed for and apologised. No further action was taken

How inconsistant!!
Don't forget Delboy Conway. Suspended by his party (Conservative) for being a frightful oik and allowed to step down quietly at the next election after funding both his sons through University on the pretext they were doing Parliamentary Reseach

Lord Taylor of Warwick was once the Conserbative's ethnic poster boy for how inclusive they were trying to be now he's just another theiving wannabe. Another one like Warsi that could not get a seat so was handed a peerage.
 
#18
So Mr MacShane who is a proven lying, fraudulent, thief, Who would have been sacked for gross misconduct in any honourable trade, will be permitted to continue representing his constituency after a year? Who tends to their needs during that period? Should they not get a say as to whether they want con man to speak for them, a by-election perchance?

It would be nice to think that at some time in the future he will speak out against benefit frauds, and tax schemes. Jerry Carr should have stuck to his guns, at least he was legal, and didn't falsify paperwork, or make up false jobs to steal money from the taxpayer. The MP for Rotheram is a lowlife on an equal footing with any shoplifter you care to mention.

Sack him and take the money he stole out of his pension.
Certainly the swindled cash should be withdrawn from various pensions... perhaps by the complete forfeit of said pension.

Re by-election. WHy can't an MP be forced to stand again by the people they represent?

Perhaps 10 people could sign a petition, chip in £500 notes and force a 'special' by election.
 
#19
Out of (my) interest. If a taxpaying member of the general public made a complaint to the police that "his/her" money had been stolen by Mr. MacShane, would they be obliged to act?
 

Bouillabaisse

LE
Book Reviewer
#20
The tories did have some idea that they'd introduce a power for locals to force a by-election if enough people wanted it but it never happened. And what would be the point? McShane would be out but some other labour jobsworth would be in
 

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