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Demographics of people who join the TA?

#1
I joined the TA to serve in the Defence of this country, choice of unit was down to being local, on a regular bus route. Leaving choice of Inf vrs Sigs, I choose Inf (and local regiment over nearby mercian regiment) as it appeared to be most fun (I considered Sigs as I was thinking of going regular).

Many years later, when distance didn't matter did I consider units where my natural skills would help my TA carer.

I've been in the TA in several cities and the location/cap badge seems to alter recruiting patterns. When situtated in city centre locations people choose cap badge with a big tendancy to teeth arms from most and those wanting an easier life choosing CS/CSS units. In the suburbs this doesn't matter most will join their local unit but has the disadvantage of the unit becoming like the local area, what I mean is that you put a TAC in a council estate you get poorer level of education with your soldiers, place it near a student area its better educated.
Obviously with some cap badges it goes that you can't place them in areas of poor education or they will suffer. Its worse now as many of the 'easy life' soldiers don't join them anymore because of continuous operations.
 
#5
slimjim said:
Is this an observation or do you have proof?

Personally I feel you are talking shit 8)
Happens in my own sqn, using the same tricks to get recruits but all the more upper pay band soldiers are in the one near the uni and all the lower in the one on a council estate.
The same was visible in my old regiment many upper pay band soldiers from the troops near uni's had to be sent to another sqns from near council estates otherwise they couldn't deploy on exercise.
 
#6
slimjim said:
Is this an observation or do you have proof?

Personally I feel you are talking shit 8)
Well, up here someone had the bright idea of moving the Int Corps out of their raither naice Great King Street TA Centre, in the heart of Edinburgh's New Town, and shoving them off to Livingston.

Apparently, the theory behind this was that they would now be able to recruit in both Edinburgh and Glasgow, because they were nearly half-way between them (i.e. at least 45 minutes in a car away from both). Oh, and the old TAC should have fetched seven figures.

Strangely, it all went horribly wrong, and they moved back into Edinburgh a year or two later. Having failed to recruit anything like their targets, because Livingston is not really well blessed with the suave and elegant types who can be persuaded to inhabit Cypress Green berets. Whereas Edinburgh is full of them ;)

They eventually swapped with the RMP - the RMP got a nice, spacious, modern, purpose-built TAC in Livvie, and Int Corps got a slightly run-down and cramped TAC back in Edinburgh, just up from Leith.
 
#8
JPALegend - I live in a council estate, the Civil Service Office I manage is on the same estate.... does that make me cannon fodder too?
 
#9
demographics are an interesting point in the reserve review debate apart from anything else. I haven't served at a TAC within 50 miles of my home since 1993, and sitting here writing this, I am beginning to wonder why.....my current one is over a 100 miles away.

Why?
 
#10
wobbler said:
JPALegend - I live in a council estate, the Civil Service Office I manage is on the same estate.... does that make me cannon fodder too?
No offence intended, my mum came from a council estate and my eldest lives on one but I'd expect council estates to provide a lot of the regular army cannon fodder. I'm not making this statement as an insult

Wingletang said:
demographics are an interesting point in the reserve review debate apart from anything else. I haven't served at a TAC within 50 miles of my home since 1993, and sitting here writing this, I am beginning to wonder why.....my current one is over a 100 miles away.

Why?
I was thinking that when I posted the topic. I know quite a number in similar situation. 2 x TA CO's from my city command signal regiments in other cities, around 50% of the TA supervisors in the same two regiments are also come from the same city and employed elsewhere.

Oddly many of the regular techs/supervisors (PSI's in both regiments) also come from the same city (or a nearby small city/large town). Nearly matching the patterns in the TA 100%.

Even my civilian employer has offices in the same areas I see these techs/officers coming from (the area has many IT/tech jobs).

TA Sigs generated 4 regiments in WW2 from this area, two of them pioneering comms between the army and the RAF.

Now it doesn't even have a complete Sqn but is still generating two RHQ's (probably a couple more if you include regulars) but I suppose we should make do with our regiment of elite sqns/coys.
 
#11
If you believe there is a pattern to TAC distribution JPA Legend, then you probably believe there is a force development plan for the TA too...
 
#12
Wouldn't you think that they would sit down with some of the larger supermarkets and utilise their demographic mapping software to find the optimum location for TACs?

No.

msr
 
#13
Optimum location for TA Centres is on good bus routes.

The biggest proportion of recruits are in the 'Don't own/have full access to a car' bracket. Make it easy for those to get to the drill halls and your chance of better recruitment is improved. A lot of people travel on the buses and going past a smart well presented building gets them thinking.
 
#15
JPALegend said:
I joined the TA to serve in the Defence of this country, choice of unit was down to being local, on a regular bus route. Leaving choice of Inf vrs Sigs, I choose Inf (and local regiment over nearby mercian regiment) as it appeared to be most fun (I considered Sigs as I was thinking of going regular).

Many years later, when distance didn't matter did I consider units where my natural skills would help my TA carer.

I've been in the TA in several cities and the location/cap badge seems to alter recruiting patterns. When situtated in city centre locations people choose cap badge with a big tendancy to teeth arms from most and those wanting an easier life choosing CS/CSS units. In the suburbs this doesn't matter most will join their local unit but has the disadvantage of the unit becoming like the local area, what I mean is that you put a TAC in a council estate you get poorer level of education with your soldiers, place it near a student area its better educated.
Obviously with some cap badges it goes that you can't place them in areas of poor education or they will suffer. Its worse now as many of the 'easy life' soldiers don't join them anymore because of continuous operations.
What a patronising load of labia entrails.
Suppose you live on a council estate but go to a university ? Suppose you don't go to a university but have the misfortune to live near one and find yourself surrounded by smelly students ?
 
#16
I joined the TA in Guisborough, a small (then) Yorkshire town which had a good mix of skills and classes. We recruited all sorts from council estates to the son of the local lord. Don't remember it being an issue.

My platoon then became part of the Middlesbrough Company, 12 miles and a thousand light years away (in terms of many things). The great mass of the Middlesbrough soldiers came from council estates but so what. They were by and large artisans, men skilled in a whole variety of trades. The bulk of people we recruited were tradesmen, the sort of people who did things, who didn't hang around street corners wondering where the next fix was coming from.

We always had a problem recruiting officers, the Boro produced soldiers and SNCOs. And bloody good ones at that.

When it was suggested that Bn HQ move to the Boro from York I pointed out that no officers lived in Middlesbrough, and that the nearest one lived in Darlo. Most of the Bn's officers lived in the York area, because that was where the work was. When the Bn was centred on the Boro it had huge problems finding officers, so much so that the Mess at one time had more commissioned Sgt Majors than subalterns, to the detriment of both Officers and Sgts Messes and the Bn.

What I'm trying to say is that demographics matter, but not in the council estate/private house type of way. The TA has always attracted a higher class of entrant than the regular army by the very fact that most people in it have a job and a commitment other than getting pissed in the block every weekend.
 
#17
rebel_with_a_cause said:
BuggerAll said:
You make it sound as if there is a plan.
Go and wash your mouth out immediately, how dare you insinuate that things are planned. You silly twisted boy you.
Aye the best plan was from a few years ago, mid 1800's in fact. Local employers raised volunteer units from their employees and others in similar trades.

The regular army adopted these formations in 1908, trying their hand at mass civvie recruitment in 1914 with the new army as Territorials/volunteers were untrusted. Must have been a surprise when most of these outperformed the new army, especially the Pals Bns and their middle classes/white collar workers.
 
#18
lacrabat said:
What a patronising load of labia entrails.
Suppose you live on a council estate but go to a university ? Suppose you don't go to a university but have the misfortune to live near one and find yourself surrounded by smelly students ?
Please keep up (see previous post). Your attacking my post with issues that are very close to my family, I have a right to comment on them. I come from lower working class.
I'm not gonna get stuck up class shitte, I can see more than black/white, yes I'm a liberal
 

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#19
JPALegend said:
I've been in the TA in several cities and the location/cap badge seems to alter recruiting patterns. When situtated in city centre locations people choose cap badge with a big tendancy to teeth arms from most and those wanting an easier life choosing CS/CSS units.

Got as far as this before giving up.

Yep, I chose a four hundred mile round trip to a CSS unit for an 'easier life'.
 
#20
Sixty said:
Yep, I chose a four hundred mile round trip to a CSS unit for an 'easier life'.
Well I'm CS but thinking about transferring to a specialist unit 300 miles away (or did you miss the point that the TA could have local specialist units if a bit of logic was applied)
 

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