Defence Secretary Visits Oman for Joint Exercises

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Defence Secretary Ben Wallace has visited Oman, to demonstrate the UK’s commitment to the country and the wider Gulf region.

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[Yokel]

One of the Point class vessels was on the area not so long ago, did we miss an opportunity to demonstrate how the aircraft from the carrier (and accompanying task/strike group units) can defend a high value ship full of a vehicles during a crisis?

@Not a Boffin may be able to confirm that this was one of the drivers for the CVF/QEC design.

 

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Brigadier Marcus Mudd, Land Component Commander in Oman said:​

It sounds like a name from one of Evelyn Waugh's novels.

 

[Bodenplatte]

Dr Samuel Mudd was convicted as being part of the conspiracy to assassinate Abraham Lincoln. Doubt continues to this day as to the extent of his involvement, but what is certain is that he treated the broken leg of the fleeing assassin, John Wilkes Booth.
Mudd escaped being executed by a single vote of the 9 man military commission which tried the surviving conspirators. He was sentenced to life imprisonment, but was released from prison in 1869. However, his reputation was completely damaged - which is why we say of such a person “His name is Mudd”

 

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Pictures can tell a lot more.

 

[Yokel]

Dr Samuel Mudd was convicted as being part of the conspiracy to assassinate Abraham Lincoln. Doubt continues to this day as to the extent of his involvement, but what is certain is that he treated the broken leg of the fleeing assassin, John Wilkes Booth.
Mudd escaped being executed by a single vote of the 9 man military commission which tried the surviving conspirators. He was sentenced to life imprisonment, but was released from prison in 1869. However, his reputation was completely damaged - which is we say of such a person “His name is Mudd”

That sounds like one of L/Cpl Jones' explanations.

Pictures can tell a lot more.

Not as much as a video though, with mention of things such as 'Land Regional Hubs' and amphibious capabilities.

 

[Bodenplatte]

That sounds like one of L/Cpl Jones' explanations.

Kiss goodbye to your extra off-ration banger.

 

[Bodenplatte]

I look at these aircraft carriers plus all of the flying machinery, and think “One Exocet.”

 

[aardvark64]

I look at these aircraft carriers plus all of the flying machinery, and think “One Exocet.”

Hence the semi-presence of the "One Type 45".

 

[Yokel]

Hence the semi-presence of the "One Type 45".

Against both air and submarine threats, you need a carrier to either put fighters in the air (kill the archers, not the arrows) at ranges beyond that of shipborne missile systems, or to provide multiple helicopters for providing around the clock ASW in conjunction with the frigates.

I look at these aircraft carriers plus all of the flying machinery, and think “One Exocet.”

What do you think when you see an unescorted merchant ship loaded with military equipment?

 

[Bodenplatte]

What do you think when you see an unescorted merchant ship loaded with military equipment?

Depends whether it’s one of ours or one of theirs.

 

[aardvark64]

Against both air and submarine threats, you need a carrier to either put fighters in the air (kill the archers, not the arrows) at ranges beyond that of shipborne missile systems, or to provide multiple helicopters for providing around the clock ASW in conjunction with the frigates.





What do you think when you see an unescorted merchant ship loaded with military equipment?

Agree it's better to stop the arrow being launched. But once one or two are in the air, the Type 45 is what will bring them down at a comfortable distance away from the carrier.

 

[Yokel]

Agree it's better to stop the arrow being launched. But once one or two are in the air, the Type 45 is what will bring them down at a comfortable distance away from the carrier.

Yes but the carrier is not the only high value unit - indeed the carrier may be there to protect an amphibious force or logistics shipping in a crisis, and carrier aviation (combined with other warships and their sensors and weapons) is the only way of defending against heavy air or submarine threat.

Frigates also have missiles which should be able to splash an incoming missile.

 

[aardvark64]

Yes but the carrier is not the only high value unit - indeed the carrier may be there to protect an amphibious force or logistics shipping in a crisis, and carrier aviation (combined with other warships and their sensors and weapons) is the only way of defending against heavy air or submarine threat.

Frigates also have missiles which should be able to splash an incoming missile.

Sigh... I refer the honourable gentleman to this.

 

[Yokel]

Sigh... I refer the honourable gentleman to this.

Actually it does matter, as there is a tendency for some to portray carrier based air defence and ASW as being for self defence, rather than providing a moving bubble of sea control in which our forces have freedom of movement. To add to the possible confusion, the Type 45 will often control and direct F-35B sorties from the carrier, and the frigates will cue and work with Merlin HM2s from the carrier.

 

[aardvark64]

Actually it does matter, as there is a tendency for some to portray carrier based air defence or ASW as being for self defence, rather than providing a moving bubble of sea control in which our forces have freedom of movement. To add to the possible confusion, the Type 45 will often control and direct F-35B sorties from the carrier, and the frigates will cue and work with Merlin HM2s from the carrier.

Yes Mr Technically Correct Man, you are right.

My original comment was aimed at the thought of an Exocet hitting the aircraft carrier.

Wish I hadn't bothered now.

 

[Yokel]

Yes Mr Technically Correct Man, you are right.

My original comment was aimed at the thought of an Exocet hitting the aircraft carrier.

Wish I hadn't bothered now.

Calm down! I was pointing out that the carrier can launch fighters and AEW aircraft to stop someone putting an Exocet (other anti ship missiles are on the market - sadly) into an LPD full of Marines or a merchant ship full of equipment needed for an operation. Think of the Atlantic Conveyor in the Falklands.

The MOD news article was all about the linkages between services and environmental domains, so it would be a worthwhile thing to demonstrate.