Defence Secretary announces further £350m for Successor submarines

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Ministry of Defence said:
The Defence Secretary has today announced an additional £350m worth of funding for the next stage of design work for Successor, the future generation of UK nuclear-armed submarines.

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seaweed

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Good news but the caption on the second pic has me puzzled. Nobody taught me how to check for range with a gyro repeat.
 
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Wouldn't it be cheaper to hire replacement boats from the USA? After all we hire the Tridents from them. We could hire berth, maintenance and missile storage space from Uncle Sam as well. From time to time the boats could tie up and the crews could have a run ashore in Gib. I doubt if the locals would complain after all they want to remain British don't they?????

Just a thought can you imagine Prime Minister Boris J with his finger on the nuclear button?
 

Bouillabaisse

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Wouldn't it be cheaper to hire replacement boats from the USA? After all we hire the Tridents from them. We could hire berth, maintenance and missile storage space from Uncle Sam as well. From time to time the boats could tie up and the crews could have a run ashore in Gib. I doubt if the locals would complain after all they want to remain British don't they?????

Just a thought can you imagine Prime Minister Boris J with his finger on the nuclear button?
Why not? Gordon Brown did.
 
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Wouldn't it be cheaper to hire replacement boats from the USA? After all we hire the Tridents from them. We could hire berth, maintenance and missile storage space from Uncle Sam as well. From time to time the boats could tie up and the crews could have a run ashore in Gib. I doubt if the locals would complain after all they want to remain British don't they?????

Just a thought can you imagine Prime Minister Boris J with his finger on the nuclear button?

Be rather hard to sell the 'independent' bit if it was based in the US of A dontcha think?
 
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You really think that we have any semblance of 'independence' on how, when and where we deploy this asset?
I would like to think we were in control of ours but some how I do not think so.ill bet that Uncle Sam has a on/off switch that we know sod all about.
If they are coming to the end of their shelf life why not use them up say for arguments sake on Afghanistan we will soon find out if they work or not.
 
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bokkatankie

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I would like to think we were in control of ours but some how I do not think so.ill bet that Uncle Sam has a on/off switch that we know sod all about.
If they are coming to the end of their shelf life why not use them up say for arguments sake on Afghanistan we will soon find out if they work or not.
We should have done that with Polaris on Belfast years ago, the guidance system may also have****ed up and as a bonus Liverpool could also have gone instant sunshine
 

seaweed

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The boat actually at sea is exclusively and directly under the control of HMG. That is the whole point of CASD, to deter a direct nuclear attack on the United Kingdom, which is the only occasion on which it would be used. The only dependency on the US is the periodic servicing of the missiles (NOT the warheads which are UK entirely). And before anyone starts any hares about alternative methods, there aren't any that would actually work in the sense of being proof against interdiction.
 
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I was under the impression the captains of the boats had the authority to launch incase the government happened to be blown to bits.
 
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I was under the impression the captains of the boats had the authority to launch incase the government happened to be blown to bits.
Well that's the official line, but fire at what or who?

I subscribe to the theory that the envelope in the CO's safe says:

Dear Captain,

If you're reading this, Britain is a glowing radioactive puddle and I'm deader than a dead thing…
…but so are One Direction, so look on the bright side.

Please contact the US Navy and await orders.

Yours

PM
 
#14
To stave off independence they are trying the old tactic of giving shiny things to the natives.

Are they seriously contemplating moving ALL UK subs to Faslane, bringing 1000/4000/10,000/100,000* jobs with it?



*Select the randomly selected figure of your choice here. Or why not make up your own. Everyone else does.
 
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sunnoficarus:4698588 said:
I was under the impression the captains of the boats had the authority to launch incase the government happened to be blown to bits.
Well that's the official line, but fire at what or who?

I subscribe to the theory that the envelope in the CO's safe says:

Dear Captain,

If you're reading this, Britain is a glowing radioactive puddle and I'm deader than a dead thing…
…but so are One Direction, so look on the bright side.

Please contact the US Navy and await orders.

Yours

PM
"Which buggers did it?"

"Iran, off you go"

"Jolly good!"
 
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Be rather hard to sell the 'independent' bit if it was based in the US of A dontcha think?
Good point but at the moment Uncle Sam leases the missiles to the UK. I bet he keeps the operating codes very close to his chest, so how independent are our sunshine weapons?
 
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Well thats succesfully pissed both the Lib Dems and the Jocks off!
So MSPs we have £350m to spend on Nucs do you want the business yes or no? If not it goes down south and thats all your ports nackered, but I forgot you have all that oil don't you and you can live without us!
As as to Clegg thats a pre election shot over his little yellow submarine.
 
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Do we really want to signpost that our entire Sub Fleet is to be based North of the Border?

Surely, we should be thinking about creating a port suitable for the boats in England. It is rampant electioneering and deplorable.

The Navy should be looking at costs and matelots being sent north for posting but south for training and their own homes, is a huge waste of money.

Salmond should be put on warning and the Admirals should planning - that is what they are paid for.
 
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Good point but at the moment Uncle Sam leases the missiles to the UK. I bet he keeps the operating codes very close to his chest, so how independent are our sunshine weapons?
The warheads are UK made.
The boats are UK made.
The Missile itself (Minus warhead) is the bit leased from the US

Does the US have a secret off switch? I doubt it. The trade of nuclear materials between the US and the UK is a two way street
Technology is transfered in both directions too.
 

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